If you re-read
There's no mention of karate in the original post.

Just a gentle push.

I only mentioned karate in response to the Apothecaries' weight about lumping me one. I suppose I don't back down against mad cyclists or angry B3TAns.
(Kliper Filllets Getting noticed by twats on the internet since, Tue 17 Apr 2012, 14:14, 2 replies)

Internet hard man coming through - stand aside.

(Apothecaries' weight - I'm a cyborg, but that's OK, Tue 17 Apr 2012, 14:55, closed)

Nice try
Have you ever thought of doing stand-up comedy?
(Kliper Filllets Getting noticed by twats on the internet since, Tue 17 Apr 2012, 15:00, closed)

Oh, I see, you think I was being threatening?
We're all one big happy family here, aren't we?

All I was trying to get across after you said you'd lump me one was that I'm actually in the fortunate position to be able to defend myself. Many people aren't, and that's why these twats get away with treating other people like shit.
(Kliper Filllets Getting noticed by twats on the internet since, Tue 17 Apr 2012, 15:03, closed)

Was it relevant? No.
You brought it up to make me second guess my thoughts over hitting someone who'd just pushed me off my bike. I'm not a violent person, and I'd never hit anyone without good reason. I don't feel the need to start fights or learn karate or brag about it on the internet to justify the fact that I put someone in a dangerous situation - regardless of whether or not he deserved it.. You said "I side-stepped at the last second and gave him a gentle push" Could you not have just stepped aside instead? Funnily enough the only reason I came back to this thread is you felt the need to bring up the issue - again. Here.

b3ta.com/questions/twattery/post1591101

"Look at the abuse I got just for avoiding being hit by a cyclist."
Avoiding him by endangering him. Yeah, smart move. And you e-threatened me with your mad karate skills because I said I'd hit you if you pushed me off.
(Apothecaries' weight - I'm a cyborg, but that's OK, Tue 17 Apr 2012, 15:14, closed)

Oh dear.
Trying hard but missing the point.

Simply put so you can understand it;

I wasn't bragging, or e-threatening you, although I can understand how intimidating it must feel when you are corresponding with adults, so I'll let you off that one. Calling an ability 'mad' is just projection on your part. Don't forget, you're the one who initiated this violent talk by saying you'd lump me one. Pot, kettle, black?

If you'd properly read the thread you'd have seen that side-stepping without risk to myself wasn't an option. I know people that have been hit by passing cyclists and the damage to just your shins as the pedals fly past isn't nice. I didn't see why I should take all the risk of injury just so the twat could cycle at me with deliberate intent.

If he hadn't been going so fast he wouldn't have even lost control. I have no worries that he put HIMSELF in danger.

I think I'm fairly justified in defending my position in this case - but what's your excuse for feeling you need to belittle my comments, say I'm bullshitting and generally take a negative view of everything I say?
(Kliper Filllets Getting noticed by twats on the internet since, Tue 17 Apr 2012, 15:25, closed)

Clearly we are not going to agree.
If you pushed me off my bike rather than taking one step off the pavement while I passed. Regardless of whether or not I was right to be there. I would have been angry. Didn't you yourself state that the traffic had stopped at a red light? I'm not going to sit here and argue the point, if you genuinely think you're right - that's fine. I just wanted to voice my opinion as you wanted to voice yours. What you call self defence from a mad cyclist I will call stupid and malicious behaviour. Let's just agree to disagree eh
(Apothecaries' weight - I'm a cyborg, but that's OK, Tue 17 Apr 2012, 15:38, closed)

'Step off the pavement while I passed'
Why should he step off the pavement? The pavement is where pedestrians walk, the ROAD is where cyclists ride. The cyclist was wrong in riding on the pavement and deserved everything he got - and more.
Luckily I don't live in a city where these lycra-clad dimwits threaten my safety.
(Captain Placid 24/7 ball gags, brownie mix and clown porn, Tue 17 Apr 2012, 15:47, closed)

Wasn't debating that
I'm just saying that if the situation were reversed I'd rather step off the pavement for a second than risk causing someone injury. My own opinion though
(Apothecaries' weight - I'm a cyborg, but that's OK, Tue 17 Apr 2012, 15:51, closed)

However, I think you're arguing from mistaken facts
The pavement had a building to one side, BT boxes, road work signs and lamp posts, etc., to the other. I was closer to the building in a gap of around 6' width, with nowhere to go. It wouldn't have been so bad if he'd tried to avoid me, we maybe could have passed ok. But no, he had to cycle right at me. That was the twattish bit.

The traffic coming towards me had stopped, but not the stuff coming from side junction, hence why I suspect he mounted the pavement to avoid that but not me.

If you'd have been there and actually seen it I'm sure you'd have taken the stance the other cyclists did and supported my action (or at least not have thought it a tad twattish).

I don't think we're disagreeing, we're just not talking about the same situation...
(Kliper Filllets Getting noticed by twats on the internet since, Tue 17 Apr 2012, 17:01, closed)

There's absolutely no reason a pedestrian should have to get off the pavement for a cyclist.
None at all.

Following that logic, one should move out of one's house should a burglar break in.

I don't take a shortcut through your garden to get to my destination.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 17 Apr 2012, 17:03, closed)

You might want to re-read my second response.

(Misery McUglywife an attention seeking sociopathic fuckstain., Tue 17 Apr 2012, 19:29, closed)

Re-read and point missed, I'm afraid
Clearly a lot of the argument here is that people don't know exactly what happened. If I'd originally written a 4 page document with diagrams, I doubt there'd be any arguments, partly because no-one would have read it.

The rest of the flaming probably comes from the response to "I'd have lumped you one" if they had been in the SAME position. Mentioning that as an ex karate instructor I would have been able to defend myself seems to have awoken the trolls.

Other memebers comment on their martial arts experiences and I usually take it as genuine unless there's an obvious flaw in their statement. Is it that hard for people to honestly believe someone on the internet is actually telling the truth? Are they all that insecure?
(Kliper Filllets Getting noticed by twats on the internet since, Wed 18 Apr 2012, 7:25, closed)

From what you have written here
in OP and response the bottom line - even tho he had shown intent, you assaulted him. No matter how "gently" you pushed him and how short your T-Rex arms were - you assaulted him which means you were in the wrong as far as the law would be concerned - I guess lucky for you he wasn't that badly injured & didn't realise that.

The karate stuff just makes you sound like a pompous, macho blowhard - not really relevent, just something ka-ra-te knobends like to tell the world to remind them that they are well 'ard. I've done several years of aikido and judo training including competition level but this is the 1st time I've told you that.
EDIT:I tell a lie I had mentioned aikido before - maybe you should learn the precepts I mentioned there rather than "my sensei felt bad cause he caused injury to 10 people"
(Misery McUglywife an attention seeking sociopathic fuckstain., Wed 18 Apr 2012, 23:03, closed)

I still don't think you get it, and probably won't without diagrams.
If I hadn't moved, I've have been struck down. As it was, the gap left from him intentionally cycling at me was so narrow that turning to the side and pushing him away from my body was the only course of action open to me. Unless you count letting him run into my shins and carry on his own merry way.

The push was gentle because all I had to do was deflect his path. Not an assault, because it was self defence, with reasonable force. I had no responsability to ensure what he did afterwards didn't endanger himself.

I'm no solicitor, but solicitors I've trained with have written articles and provided documented cases for my class on how to behave when attacked, and what is considered reasonable force. I'm quite confident that a detailed account of the events would back me up in that.

The ONLY reason I mentioned karate in the first place was in response to someone saying they'd have lumped me one. Hardly being the antagonist, was I. Surely missing this basic point should make you question what you've just written.

Also, saying "my sensei felt bad cause he caused injury to 10 people" shows how you mis-read things to suit your argument. He felt bad because he was ashamed he lost his temper.

Calling me a "ka-ra-te knobend" does make you look pompous though.
(Kliper Filllets Getting noticed by twats on the internet since, Thu 19 Apr 2012, 7:53, closed)

So.
You couldn't have just simply stepped out of his way then?
And not "gently" pushed him.
Which probably would've left him uninjured, you full of "I'm a something dan in ka-ra-te and I can defeat anyone" frustrated rage & you not writing your op.
I challenge you to show this post to a lawyer (unedited) and for them to not say that your behavior was assaultive.
In case you didn't get it - despite his intent and your (abnormally) short arms (10" apparently) YOU HIT HIM FIRST.
That's considered ASSAULT.
If you find a lawyer that contradicts that - let me know, cause I've got a couple of speeding tickets to get rid of.
(Misery McUglywife an attention seeking sociopathic fuckstain., Thu 19 Apr 2012, 9:29, closed)

How do you manage to mis-read everything I type?
I could not have simply stepped out of the way without risk being hit. The gap he'd left between me and the wall was only a couple of feet. I'm wearing a rucksack with my gym gear, and in those short seconds I'm supposed to know I can actually fit in the gap without being struck?

The push (which you're finding hard to understand) wasn't a fully extended arm shove. It was one hand extended no more than 10" from my chest in order to avoid him going in to me. For it to be that close, you can't really argue I had a lot of room. I didn't extend my arm fully (if you'd bothered to read my posts instead of ranting about things I haven't written). I didn't HIT him, just deflected his path from me.

By your reasoning bumping into someone in the street is an assault.
I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you really are as thick as shit, aren't you.

As for your speeding tickets (if true), I'm sure you'd claim you had reason to be breaking the law, but actually IT'S A CRIMINAL OFFENCE. Or wouldn't you see it like that?
(Kliper Filllets Getting noticed by twats on the internet since, Thu 19 Apr 2012, 10:10, closed)

So.
He hit you first?
BTW with all your skillz - I'd have you pinned on the ground & begging to be released in about 2 seconds.
























*Now I'm just shit stirring*
(Misery McUglywife an attention seeking sociopathic fuckstain., Thu 19 Apr 2012, 10:14, closed)

:-)
Can't we have another thread or QOTW for this.

Wriggles out from underneath...
(Kliper Filllets Getting noticed by twats on the internet since, Thu 19 Apr 2012, 10:17, closed)

I like it when you struggle.
*That's probably NSFW is it?*
But no. You hit him.
(Misery McUglywife an attention seeking sociopathic fuckstain., Thu 19 Apr 2012, 10:23, closed)

I suppose it depends where you work
* shakes hand *

Edit: Shakes head. Deflecting the path of a cyclist from going into me isn't the same as hitting him.
(Kliper Filllets Getting noticed by twats on the internet since, Thu 19 Apr 2012, 10:30, closed)

No.
You hit him first.
(Misery McUglywife an attention seeking sociopathic fuckstain., Thu 19 Apr 2012, 12:07, closed)

If you say so.
Yes, if you say so.

BTW, look up the word 'hit'. It may help your argument...
(Kliper Filllets Getting noticed by twats on the internet since, Thu 19 Apr 2012, 12:18, closed)

Best QOTW answer ever.
I saved this tab in the hope that the entertainment hadn't been strangled out of it with my concession that it's not going anywhere..

Also;
hit- past participle, past tense of hit
Verb: Bring one's hand or a tool or weapon into contact with (someone or something) quickly and forcefully.
Noun: An instance of striking or being struck.
(Apothecaries' weight - I'm a cyborg, but that's OK, Thu 19 Apr 2012, 12:32, closed)

The angry people are still going strong
Although the arguments being put forwards are pretty piss-poor. It's like swatting flies. Or should I say hitting flies.
(Kliper Filllets Getting noticed by twats on the internet since, Thu 19 Apr 2012, 12:35, closed)

...and so are you
valiantly trying to defend your virtual honour rather than just conceeding that some people might disagree with your actions as well as some might agree with them
(Apothecaries' weight - I'm a cyborg, but that's OK, Thu 19 Apr 2012, 12:51, closed)

What's really sad
is that you don't seem to understand that you did something wrong and have no remorse about it.
(Misery McUglywife an attention seeking sociopathic fuckstain., Thu 19 Apr 2012, 12:35, closed)

You only think it was wrong
Because you don't fully understand what happend - or at best choose to misinterpret the facts to suit yourself.

Edit : Evidently I'm not the only one that thinks this either. I suppose you'll be trying to argue against all of us that think it was no bad thing?
(Kliper Filllets Getting noticed by twats on the internet since, Thu 19 Apr 2012, 12:36, closed)