I've never really heard either,
as I was lucky enough to be born after rationing had ended.
*kicks your walking stick and steals your pension*
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monster munch person, man, woman... camera... TV?, Tue 5 Jul 2005, 9:59,
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Get used to it
you're moving to the third world.
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Flapjack I spay a little mare for you, Tue 5 Jul 2005, 10:01,
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