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get the right angle and you can do both

(, Sun 7 Jun 2009, 10:54, archived)
Ten points for Easty.

(, Sun 7 Jun 2009, 10:55, archived)
Hurray, all the good people are here.

(, Sun 7 Jun 2009, 10:56, archived)
and Doveston

(, Sun 7 Jun 2009, 10:57, archived)
Yer

(, Sun 7 Jun 2009, 11:01, archived)