ive had one of them.
it was ok. I will brave the second...

and this, www.b3ta.com/talk/622171 are they just moving in, or getting engaged?
( Jobe, Thu 7 Jul 2005, 8:50, archived)

well, this kinda answers that
www.b3ta.com/talk/622176
( Jadeviper was still alive on, Thu 7 Jul 2005, 8:51, archived)

Maybe
i should actually read things. Might help
( Jobe, Thu 7 Jul 2005, 8:53, archived)