not fiat, but they are awful on the lower back, the seat is the wrong shape
the new ones are ok
( mongychops, Thu 1 Sep 2011, 21:42, archived)

yeh the driving position in virtually all vans is awful
bolt upright. gah. and stupid pedal positions. maybe i have weird legs. catlegs.
(Mortal Wombat - he's just an excitable boy, Thu 1 Sep 2011, 22:09, archived)