UK Local Government Boundary Changes - Have Your Say
With the decision to allow users to enter a post code, send in a comment and annotate a map. So I expect a lot of future constituencies will be CDC shaped.
( , Tue 17 Oct 2017, 11:03, Share, Reply)
With the decision to allow users to enter a post code, send in a comment and annotate a map. So I expect a lot of future constituencies will be CDC shaped.
( , Tue 17 Oct 2017, 11:03, Share, Reply)
yep my Labour voting town nicely split into 3 to include local Tory voting rural areas
and a larger Tory town in one of these areas outnumbers the population in our town. Ain't democracy great?
( , Tue 17 Oct 2017, 11:24, Share, Reply)
and a larger Tory town in one of these areas outnumbers the population in our town. Ain't democracy great?
( , Tue 17 Oct 2017, 11:24, Share, Reply)
even without the potential gerrymandering
some divides are bizarre; splitting some rural towns and villages along rivers so half a community falls in a completely different town's constituency.
Splitting along a river makes more sense in a city where different areas more naturally fall either side of a river.
( , Tue 17 Oct 2017, 11:37, Share, Reply)
some divides are bizarre; splitting some rural towns and villages along rivers so half a community falls in a completely different town's constituency.
Splitting along a river makes more sense in a city where different areas more naturally fall either side of a river.
( , Tue 17 Oct 2017, 11:37, Share, Reply)
we have the tech to do this kind of stuff objectively and anonymously
in fact it's technically trivial. The problem is nobody will ever sanction it. the Boundaries Commission supposed impartiality is a joke - as soon as one party or another gets in they change everything (or as much as they can get away with) to suit their needs, it's utterly un-scientific, led by lawyers and the political party of the day.
( , Tue 17 Oct 2017, 11:45, Share, Reply)
in fact it's technically trivial. The problem is nobody will ever sanction it. the Boundaries Commission supposed impartiality is a joke - as soon as one party or another gets in they change everything (or as much as they can get away with) to suit their needs, it's utterly un-scientific, led by lawyers and the political party of the day.
( , Tue 17 Oct 2017, 11:45, Share, Reply)
This is a country that gets upset about dialling codes
just imagine the flap if people had to change their political 'identity' because of an algorithm
( , Tue 17 Oct 2017, 12:35, Share, Reply)
just imagine the flap if people had to change their political 'identity' because of an algorithm
( , Tue 17 Oct 2017, 12:35, Share, Reply)
If we still have FPTP isn't this always going to be a bit of a waste of time? That is...if historical boundaries are such for practical reasons changing to get proportional areas under FPTP seems nonsensical?
( , Tue 17 Oct 2017, 11:41, Share, Reply)
FPTP is a failed system
Of course that means nothing in the decision as to whether we keep it as our only route to any form of democracy.
( , Tue 17 Oct 2017, 13:21, Share, Reply)
Of course that means nothing in the decision as to whether we keep it as our only route to any form of democracy.
( , Tue 17 Oct 2017, 13:21, Share, Reply)
It's doesn't seem to let me cut out London from the provincial racists that voted for brexit
( , Tue 17 Oct 2017, 12:25, Share, Reply)
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Lived in that there London for 20 years.
Must have missed the time where it was a bastion for racial equality.
( , Tue 17 Oct 2017, 18:48, Share, Reply)
Must have missed the time where it was a bastion for racial equality.
( , Tue 17 Oct 2017, 18:48, Share, Reply)
Isn't calling a group of people "provincial racists" and assuming all Brexit voters are such
Two pieces of sweeping generalisation? And therefore a bit bigoted in itself.
You seem to be what you hate.
( , Tue 17 Oct 2017, 20:14, Share, Reply)
Two pieces of sweeping generalisation? And therefore a bit bigoted in itself.
You seem to be what you hate.
( , Tue 17 Oct 2017, 20:14, Share, Reply)
Let's not forget that all the metropolitan racists voted for it too
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( , Tue 17 Oct 2017, 20:51, Share, Reply)
Exactly
I am sure the common link is that they are racists which is the reason they voted for it rather than where they lived.
People should not attribute generalised characteristics of a few people onto all of a group of people based on where they live or were born.
I'm sure there is a word for when people do that, can't think of it right now.
Now I am also sure that not everyone who voted brexit is a racist, but I am pretty sure all the racists voted for brexit. I know some people who voted leave and while they may sometimes rant about jews when drunk I am sure that means nothing. If they were asked they would say they were not racist. They voted leave `so we would not be America's bitch any more`
Great, that has no chance of happening.
Some hilariously wanted to stick it to the tories, some were activists who just wanted a chance to do something, anything, so they decided to fuck things up for everyone else. One deluded bitch even voted leave because `jupiter was trine with Pluto so whatever I did would have been the right thing`.
Christ on a pogo stick, this is democracy, eh?
My anecdotal evidence suggests that leave voters were racists, or those stupid enough to be fooled by racists. Or astrologers, which is worse IMO. Would the vote still be respected if it were found that 2% were astrologers?
In a sane world, no.
( , Tue 17 Oct 2017, 21:26, Share, Reply)
I am sure the common link is that they are racists which is the reason they voted for it rather than where they lived.
People should not attribute generalised characteristics of a few people onto all of a group of people based on where they live or were born.
I'm sure there is a word for when people do that, can't think of it right now.
Now I am also sure that not everyone who voted brexit is a racist, but I am pretty sure all the racists voted for brexit. I know some people who voted leave and while they may sometimes rant about jews when drunk I am sure that means nothing. If they were asked they would say they were not racist. They voted leave `so we would not be America's bitch any more`
Great, that has no chance of happening.
Some hilariously wanted to stick it to the tories, some were activists who just wanted a chance to do something, anything, so they decided to fuck things up for everyone else. One deluded bitch even voted leave because `jupiter was trine with Pluto so whatever I did would have been the right thing`.
Christ on a pogo stick, this is democracy, eh?
My anecdotal evidence suggests that leave voters were racists, or those stupid enough to be fooled by racists. Or astrologers, which is worse IMO. Would the vote still be respected if it were found that 2% were astrologers?
In a sane world, no.
( , Tue 17 Oct 2017, 21:26, Share, Reply)
I voted leave, I'm not a racist.
You however appear to be a deluded cunt.
( , Tue 17 Oct 2017, 21:32, Share, Reply)
You however appear to be a deluded cunt.
( , Tue 17 Oct 2017, 21:32, Share, Reply)
All the racists that don't realise they're racist voted for it too
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Unless the EU is a "race" how is being against it "racist"?
( , Wed 18 Oct 2017, 13:06, Share, Reply)
( , Wed 18 Oct 2017, 13:06, Share, Reply)
Democracy
This is what you have here. Pick out the minority who vote for all sorts of bizarre reasons but the majority is what matters. Using anecdotal evidence and statements which include every person in a group ("all racists vote Brexit" or the implied meaning of "would the vote be respected if it were found that 2% were astrologers") are at best unhelpful and at worst just as bigoted - you make a good point in your second paragraph and then go against it in the rest if the post. Again, you just can't sweep everyone into one pile. That is the same thing the people you hate are doing.
( , Tue 17 Oct 2017, 22:08, Share, Reply)
This is what you have here. Pick out the minority who vote for all sorts of bizarre reasons but the majority is what matters. Using anecdotal evidence and statements which include every person in a group ("all racists vote Brexit" or the implied meaning of "would the vote be respected if it were found that 2% were astrologers") are at best unhelpful and at worst just as bigoted - you make a good point in your second paragraph and then go against it in the rest if the post. Again, you just can't sweep everyone into one pile. That is the same thing the people you hate are doing.
( , Tue 17 Oct 2017, 22:08, Share, Reply)
So your suggesting removing the vote from those deemed not worthy of it?
"Would you like to know more?"
( , Wed 18 Oct 2017, 21:11, Share, Reply)
"Would you like to know more?"
( , Wed 18 Oct 2017, 21:11, Share, Reply)
It is absolutely democratic to let everyone vote. That's the definition.
What the fuck are you talking about?
( , Wed 18 Oct 2017, 21:16, Share, Reply)
What the fuck are you talking about?
( , Wed 18 Oct 2017, 21:16, Share, Reply)
We had this here in Northern Ireland a while back
I am now technically a resident of a village 3 miles from here even though we live within the 30mph signs of our town and a mile or so on the side of the river the previous boundary was set with. All so as some local bean counter can juggle the already rigged voting system.
( , Tue 17 Oct 2017, 14:20, Share, Reply)
I am now technically a resident of a village 3 miles from here even though we live within the 30mph signs of our town and a mile or so on the side of the river the previous boundary was set with. All so as some local bean counter can juggle the already rigged voting system.
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