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# 'You are what you are - accept it.'
Also - how come invariably the people who are 'trapped in the wrong body' get their reassignment and then turn gay?
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Wed 9 Jun 2010, 8:27, archived)
# As in gay for the gender that they have become? I did not know that.
(I helped save b3ta! 2 Can Chunder Word to your mums, I came to prod bums, Wed 9 Jun 2010, 8:29, archived)
# Indeed
you learn something nothing new, everyday
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Wed 9 Jun 2010, 9:10, archived)
# Ooh, Cher's daughter / son is one
www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/04/20/chaz-bono-very-happy-with-gender-reassignment/
(I helped save b3ta! 2 Can Chunder Word to your mums, I came to prod bums, Wed 9 Jun 2010, 8:31, archived)
# Can you support this assumption with actual facts and reliable statistics?
"You are what you are - accept it" in nature there are several species of birds, mamals, reptiles and amphibians that can change gender therefore is it not totally unfeasible that written into our own DNA is the same (mostly latent) code? Who's to say transgendered people are not transgendered from birth, you have heard of hermaphrodites surely; well isn't is also possible that there are no external signs other than brain chemistry version of this?

Sorry didn't want to get all preachy but ignorance is ignorance.
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Wed 9 Jun 2010, 9:33, archived)
# The difference between the male and female brain is practically zero
women have a thicker corpus callosum (the join between the hemispheres), and people extrapolate from this "women are better at multitasking", but there is no evidence of this or any other functional difference. There is of course a cultural difference between male and female brains, i.e. you can be brought up as a boy or a girl, but that's just shit we make up for ourselves during our lifetime. So I think Vagabond is basically right, except that I am on principle opposed to accepting anything at all ever and I look to a future where we all grow tentacles.
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Wed 9 Jun 2010, 9:48, archived)
# Wasn't say there was a physical difference just there are regions of a females brains that are difference developed to that of a males
I'm talking about brian chemisty - Oestrogen affects these regions of the Brain in the same way that Testosterone (SP?) affects other regions of the brain
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Wed 9 Jun 2010, 9:52, archived)
# If you're talking about early development, that's a physical difference
If you're suggesting that men who want gender realignment have naturally high levels of estrogen, well, we could test for that, so I assume they don't. And I think females have more because of ovaries, not sure how much of it is made in the brain.
You got testosterone right. Which makes me wonder about "Brian chemistry".
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Wed 9 Jun 2010, 10:15, archived)
# No I was talking about levels of Oestrogen that was present in the Mother during pregnancy
and there are tests that have proven this to be the case but this can only be decided post-mortem - so what kill all transexuals cut open their brain "Oops sorry this one was actually transgendered and not under a dillusion!"
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Wed 9 Jun 2010, 12:54, archived)
# very much this
also even if it is "a mental problem" (which i doubt), a mental problem is still a serious problem which causes real pain and suffering and physical symptoms, and you don't cure mental problems by just telling people to get over it.
(I helped save b3ta! rhebus ac201fd270c3b96beab24f2829780ab2, Wed 9 Jun 2010, 9:52, archived)
# ^what she said
(benito vaselini no not that one, Wed 9 Jun 2010, 9:56, archived)
# Or in the case of shellshock, shooting them.
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Wed 9 Jun 2010, 10:22, archived)
# Maybe you're right.
But I don't think so. I've not seen any evidence of natural gender transition in humanity, nor the environment where it may be necessary, but I'd be interested to see if you had some.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Wed 9 Jun 2010, 10:03, archived)
# that's not how science works
you need evidence to support your position, not just a lack of evidence for opposing views
(I helped save b3ta! rhebus ac201fd270c3b96beab24f2829780ab2, Wed 9 Jun 2010, 10:05, archived)
# OK.
The evidence is that that transgender doesn't happen naturally in humanity and there haven't been any environments in which its been necessary.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Wed 9 Jun 2010, 10:08, archived)
# what do you mean by necessary?
plenty of operations are unnecessary: tonsillectomies, separating webbed toes. The criterion for operating is not necessity, but expected measurable improvement in life quality.
(I helped save b3ta! rhebus ac201fd270c3b96beab24f2829780ab2, Wed 9 Jun 2010, 10:17, archived)
# Fair enough.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Wed 9 Jun 2010, 10:23, archived)