Going on the offensive1. www.freeindex.co.uk/. Yes huge & well known, but like DMOZ it's not known by everybody. Sure a little bit of research can get you the links, but how many business owners want to do that? Not many from my experience.
2 & 4. The examples you give are from a company I no longer work for. I did recently change jobs. £200 was the going rate for SEO in my old work, which included my wages, rent of the building, heating, leccy, etc. Most business guides mention this. Yes I know you got the examples from my CV, which is on my website.
3. I can't divulge due to non disclosure agreements signed between the clients & myself. Not unheard of in business.
5. I am not twitter friends with many (indeed I'd say any) clients, but you asked for my contacts list. That's right there.
The reason we can justify charging what we charge is that we can track that our work is earning the client far much more than what we charge them. Again, with knowledge of Google Analytics - this can be proven. Can you justify your earnings?
I'm assuming you've done research on me. You will also see that I know PHP to an adequate level, I admit I can't design for toffee, but I consider myself to be pretty knowledgeable when it comes to SEO.
Anyway I'm prepared to take this discussion into private messaging, feeling it's getting vitriolic.
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Tue 22 Jun 2010, 15:29,
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2 & 4. The examples you give are from a company I no longer work for. I did recently change jobs. £200 was the going rate for SEO in my old work, which included my wages, rent of the building, heating, leccy, etc. Most business guides mention this. Yes I know you got the examples from my CV, which is on my website.
3. I can't divulge due to non disclosure agreements signed between the clients & myself. Not unheard of in business.
5. I am not twitter friends with many (indeed I'd say any) clients, but you asked for my contacts list. That's right there.
The reason we can justify charging what we charge is that we can track that our work is earning the client far much more than what we charge them. Again, with knowledge of Google Analytics - this can be proven. Can you justify your earnings?
I'm assuming you've done research on me. You will also see that I know PHP to an adequate level, I admit I can't design for toffee, but I consider myself to be pretty knowledgeable when it comes to SEO.
Anyway I'm prepared to take this discussion into private messaging, feeling it's getting vitriolic.
1. You could just link reverse a site which had been SEOd by someone to find an easy list of directories, surely?
2. Fair enough, but you said you still test, so how do you test, and what is the accuracy of those tests?
3. "I can't divulge due to non disclosure agreements signed between the clients & myself. Not unheard of in business."
Seems unlikely, but could you tell me what your non disclosure agreement you give to clients says?
5. So, why did you bring it up as a qualification?
"The reason we can justify charging what we charge is that we can track that our work is earning the client far much more than what we charge them."
Is this not like homeopathy - the placebo effect sometimes works, so it's fine to charge a fortune for very little?
"Can you justify your earnings?"
Yes, I breakdown costs and explain exactly what I'm doing. If a client thinks it excessive, they will go elsewhere. I will offer them a range of options. I will talk them through their site and see what they actually need. Do you explain exactly what it is you are doing for a client or do you say it is all Top Secret and thus must be worth it.
(2. Fair enough, but you said you still test, so how do you test, and what is the accuracy of those tests?
3. "I can't divulge due to non disclosure agreements signed between the clients & myself. Not unheard of in business."
Seems unlikely, but could you tell me what your non disclosure agreement you give to clients says?
5. So, why did you bring it up as a qualification?
"The reason we can justify charging what we charge is that we can track that our work is earning the client far much more than what we charge them."
Is this not like homeopathy - the placebo effect sometimes works, so it's fine to charge a fortune for very little?
"Can you justify your earnings?"
Yes, I breakdown costs and explain exactly what I'm doing. If a client thinks it excessive, they will go elsewhere. I will offer them a range of options. I will talk them through their site and see what they actually need. Do you explain exactly what it is you are doing for a client or do you say it is all Top Secret and thus must be worth it.
monkeon schmonkeon,
Tue 22 Jun 2010, 16:23,
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