'SEOs shouldn't be writing a client's blog posts'so, you'd disagree with Rhyss Wynne that one of the three jobs of an SEO is to
'2. Write content that both is readable by users, and as well includes a range of keywords that you would like to be ranking for in Google. Again, it's not that hard!' / '3. I cannot divulge client blog posts that I've put out there, but I'm going to link to a blog post that I wrote to promote my blog'
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('2. Write content that both is readable by users, and as well includes a range of keywords that you would like to be ranking for in Google. Again, it's not that hard!' / '3. I cannot divulge client blog posts that I've put out there, but I'm going to link to a blog post that I wrote to promote my blog'
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monkeon schmonkeon,
Thu 24 Jun 2010, 10:21,
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Personally I'd rather the client write content for blogs (assuming it's going on their site) as it'll better reflect the nature of that business.
But then Rhyss is a successful blogger in his own right so if he's comfortable blogging on behalf of other people / companies then I wouldn't say he's wrong to do so, just different ways of working I guess. But I'd say he's in the minority and that I probably agree with you that most blogs churned out by SEOs purely for SEOs sake on behalf of their clients are probably going to drek. Better to inform and educate, IMHO.
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Thu 24 Jun 2010, 10:38,
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But then Rhyss is a successful blogger in his own right so if he's comfortable blogging on behalf of other people / companies then I wouldn't say he's wrong to do so, just different ways of working I guess. But I'd say he's in the minority and that I probably agree with you that most blogs churned out by SEOs purely for SEOs sake on behalf of their clients are probably going to drek. Better to inform and educate, IMHO.
."Personally I'd rather the client write content for blogs (assuming it's going on their site) as it'll better reflect the nature of that business."
In which case, is the client not better being trained in the basic concepts of link building and left to do it themselves, rather than pay a monthly fee.
If the client writes their own content, what does this monthly fee involve (assuming that is your approach - it seems to be the common one)?
(In which case, is the client not better being trained in the basic concepts of link building and left to do it themselves, rather than pay a monthly fee.
If the client writes their own content, what does this monthly fee involve (assuming that is your approach - it seems to be the common one)?
monkeon schmonkeon,
Thu 24 Jun 2010, 11:36,
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Link building from other sources, monitoring, reporting, consulting with the client regarding any updates to the site, new products, new keywords they'd like to target, link opportunities they've been presented with themselves or sometimes even entire site migarations. All sorts really.
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Thu 24 Jun 2010, 11:44,
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."Link building from other sources" - you mean directories?
If not, please give examples. This is vague.
"monitoring, reporting," - can be done via simple scripts, wherein daily, hourly or whatever reports can be given.
"consulting with the client regarding any updates to the site, new products, new keywords they'd like to target, or sometimes even entire site migarations." - again, why monthly unless this is a monthy occurance? Most sites aren't updated that often.
"link opportunities they've been presented with themselves" - surely that is doing the link building themselves?
(If not, please give examples. This is vague.
"monitoring, reporting," - can be done via simple scripts, wherein daily, hourly or whatever reports can be given.
"consulting with the client regarding any updates to the site, new products, new keywords they'd like to target, or sometimes even entire site migarations." - again, why monthly unless this is a monthy occurance? Most sites aren't updated that often.
"link opportunities they've been presented with themselves" - surely that is doing the link building themselves?
monkeon schmonkeon,
Thu 24 Jun 2010, 11:57,
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Directories are one of them, yes. Perhaps link outreach, where you find a site related to yours and actually ask them if they'd like to link to you, or what it would take to do so (occasionally, shock horror, this might even involve payment, although I can't remember last time I had to do that) or article marketing which I know you've seen.
You can send automated reports but without someone to go through them and explain what all the numbers mean these are useless to a lot of clients.
There are right ways and not so right ways that a client can set up a link. They might fail to use keyword optimised anchor text. They might set up a reciprocal link where the otherside decides to set up a sneaky 302 redirect instead of a direct link. They might agree for their link to go on some crappy buried page while returning it on their homepage. You'd be surprised how challenging something like setting up a link can be for anyone who's just been told how to get them but doesn't know the details and potential pitfalls.
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Thu 24 Jun 2010, 12:11,
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You can send automated reports but without someone to go through them and explain what all the numbers mean these are useless to a lot of clients.
There are right ways and not so right ways that a client can set up a link. They might fail to use keyword optimised anchor text. They might set up a reciprocal link where the otherside decides to set up a sneaky 302 redirect instead of a direct link. They might agree for their link to go on some crappy buried page while returning it on their homepage. You'd be surprised how challenging something like setting up a link can be for anyone who's just been told how to get them but doesn't know the details and potential pitfalls.
.Why not just provide them with a list of directories as part of the consultancy so that a minimum-wager could enter their details?
As for related sites, most companies have many contacts, so why don't they just ask them for links when the concept of link building is explained (including what 'optimised' anchor text to use)?
As for the 302s thing, just tell them not to post on the arse end of the internet where these exist - deal with real companies and clients. Explain to them that any "link building" spam emails are just scams. Or just explain that if there's already 100 links on a site, then it's probably not worth it.
(As for related sites, most companies have many contacts, so why don't they just ask them for links when the concept of link building is explained (including what 'optimised' anchor text to use)?
As for the 302s thing, just tell them not to post on the arse end of the internet where these exist - deal with real companies and clients. Explain to them that any "link building" spam emails are just scams. Or just explain that if there's already 100 links on a site, then it's probably not worth it.
monkeon schmonkeon,
Thu 24 Jun 2010, 12:43,
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."You can send automated reports but without someone to go through them and explain what all the numbers mean these are useless to a lot of clients."
- does this going through them really not follow a set pattern?
When you have explained the results once, what sort of thing do you explain the second time?
Surely a nicely laid out stats page could have enough explinatory text for the layman to understand.
Reports I have seen just involve telling someone where they are in Google and for what keywords. I imagine that if someone is doing well for an irrelevent keyword and badly for a targeted one then it would not be explained to them as to why it is irrelevent, which is the sort of information they need to know.
(- does this going through them really not follow a set pattern?
When you have explained the results once, what sort of thing do you explain the second time?
Surely a nicely laid out stats page could have enough explinatory text for the layman to understand.
Reports I have seen just involve telling someone where they are in Google and for what keywords. I imagine that if someone is doing well for an irrelevent keyword and badly for a targeted one then it would not be explained to them as to why it is irrelevent, which is the sort of information they need to know.
monkeon schmonkeon,
Thu 24 Jun 2010, 12:49,
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