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# I think increasingly so
and kids to an even more disturbing level.
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Mon 16 May 2011, 13:42, archived)
# There's no need for kids to know where meat comes from - just as no one knows where the components of computers come from.
Or plastic, or CDs, or clothes, or anything.

All they need to know is that they can go to a shop and get whatever it is they want in exchange for money.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Mon 16 May 2011, 13:44, archived)
# yep, that's pretty much the shape and size of it
and is why when asked what Crisps are made from so many get confused and say "apples" "breadcrumbs" and such like.
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Mon 16 May 2011, 13:46, archived)
# Knowing where is comes from leads to eating better quality meat
I like my read meat very blue so am very fussy about where it comes from and how it's been stored.
Also chicken tastes of nothing if it's not free ranged and eaten good quality feed.
(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Mon 16 May 2011, 13:49, archived)
# Yes I agree.
Meat from Waitrose is better than meat from Asda.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Mon 16 May 2011, 13:53, archived)
# meat shouldn't travel too far either
which is why I get mine delivered on pizza, it only has to travel from cardboard box to my mouth then
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Mon 16 May 2011, 13:59, archived)
# And meat from Morrisons is delivered fresh.
It's just by the time you actually get fucking served by the dumb corpse behind the till it's sprouting flies.
(I helped save b3ta! joefish It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks, Mon 16 May 2011, 14:36, archived)
# This is not actually true.
Good meat is better than bad meat, but free-range chickens will, de-facto, be less tender than barn hens.

Not that I want the poor buggers barn reared, you understand.
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Mon 16 May 2011, 13:59, archived)
# So?
I don't need to know about the forest-farming, wood-pulping, paper-making, ink-distilling or typesetting industries to buy a newspaper
(I helped save b3ta! emvee cruor deo cruoris, Mon 16 May 2011, 14:03, archived)
# Precisely.
That's my point - all this nonsense about knowing where meat comes from like it would make a difference to anything if they did.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Mon 16 May 2011, 14:17, archived)
# Eh I think it was HT who posted this the other week:
www.animalsandsociety.org/assets/462_mitchellsa.pdf
"Whenever and wherever possible, it is important that nonhuman farming be portrayed as abusive in its essential character, even in its supposedly more benign forms such as “free range,” “traditional,” or “grass fed.” It needs to be apprehended by the public as a system in which nonhumans are held captive, mutilated, controlled, impregnated, castrated, and killed."

Which is quite frankly a load of shite
(I helped save b3ta! emvee cruor deo cruoris, Mon 16 May 2011, 14:29, archived)
# depends on how you're reading that and how out of context you place it
I posted it the other week because it contained interesting stuff on how the brain filters things out and allows terrible things to happen (like the holocaust)

That said I do agree that we should stop making flouncy phrases and hiding from the reality of how animals are treated/slaughtered and processed for mass consumption. If people don't like it, stop eating the things.
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Mon 16 May 2011, 14:39, archived)
# Well I've worked on farms, I've seen inside an abbatoir and I still eat meat
I agree that people should be better informed about where their food comes from but I don't think greater understanding of the field-to-plate-process would alter their choices much one way or the other.
(I helped save b3ta! emvee cruor deo cruoris, Mon 16 May 2011, 14:55, archived)
# you're coming from the opposite side to who this is aimed at though
a startling number of people have no concept of where their food comes from or what is done to it to make it in to Mr Men shaped processed meat slices. This is about re-educating, not scaring off. Although if it does encourage people to eat less then its a bonus.
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Mon 16 May 2011, 15:06, archived)