Haha!I AM THE MORALITY POLICE
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Sea Tramp the thinking woman's 8 Ace,
Sat 21 May 2011, 2:24,
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er...I came away all conflicted t'other night - grampa did some funny stuff, but then went all racist.
I was confused about why someone couldn't see what was wrong with using racist terms but still denied being racist especially when he was given an easy get-out when invited to apologise or delete.
If I thought he was trolling, then it would be a pretty poor and ill-advised attempt.
I met another racist tonight. They seem to be increasingly common and becoming bolder about their ill-considered opinions. Tut.
(I was confused about why someone couldn't see what was wrong with using racist terms but still denied being racist especially when he was given an easy get-out when invited to apologise or delete.
If I thought he was trolling, then it would be a pretty poor and ill-advised attempt.
I met another racist tonight. They seem to be increasingly common and becoming bolder about their ill-considered opinions. Tut.
4Q just lurking,
Sat 21 May 2011, 2:43,
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Well, there were plenty of people on my street when I was a kid who'd use the phrase "Paki shop" without batting an eyelid, but they didn't hate anyone and wouldn't've hurt a fly.I think it's largely just stupidity/ignorance, rather than nastiness.
That poor idiot the other night couldn't understand why he was being told off.
(That poor idiot the other night couldn't understand why he was being told off.
Sea Tramp the thinking woman's 8 Ace,
Sat 21 May 2011, 2:54,
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was this the mr potato head? Ning all
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real i'm not happy 'til you're not happy,
Sat 21 May 2011, 2:55,
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yeahI guess pc tramp has a point above - but the guy still couldn't see it when challenged about his language, which I thought was sad
( 4Q just lurking,
Sat 21 May 2011, 3:00,
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i guess it can be difficult for someone to accept if something they say, or write, is pointed out as being offensive, racist, whatever, especially if they weren't intending to be so. he may have just gone on the defensive.
i struggle with the term paki being racist as it is just a abbrieviation of pakistani. not that i use the term as it is deemed to be so.
is it contextual, or is it just a historical usage thing?
*being devil's advocate and just curious of other's opinions*
(i struggle with the term paki being racist as it is just a abbrieviation of pakistani. not that i use the term as it is deemed to be so.
is it contextual, or is it just a historical usage thing?
*being devil's advocate and just curious of other's opinions*
real i'm not happy 'til you're not happy,
Sat 21 May 2011, 3:09,
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He seemed to dig his heels in and wave the 'ignorant and proud' card when challenged. Sea Tramp the thinking woman's 8 Ace,
Sat 21 May 2011, 3:25,
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fair enough, i didn't read it alli just had an interesting discussion with the wife (an expert in discourse theory (she likes to believe, though has a PhD which goes someway to back it up)) and I do understand why it is offensive. It's interesting how words can have such huge values attached to them, whether intended or not
( real i'm not happy 'til you're not happy,
Sat 21 May 2011, 3:35,
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Like 'queer', and to some extent 'nigga','paki' has been 'reclaimed' by some members of the sociological group to which the term has been traditionally directed.
But not every British Asian is aware of this 'reclamation', and just because some of the more radical young Asians are attempting to negate the power of the word by using it in a post-modern deconstructed way does not give licence to just anyone to continue to use it in a 'just a joke' way.
(But not every British Asian is aware of this 'reclamation', and just because some of the more radical young Asians are attempting to negate the power of the word by using it in a post-modern deconstructed way does not give licence to just anyone to continue to use it in a 'just a joke' way.
4Q just lurking,
Sat 21 May 2011, 3:44,
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i absolutely agree. especially with regards to using it in a "just in a joke" way.
interesting to see you wrote British Asian, i was looking earlier to see if paki was considered racist throughout the world, or whether it was particular to 70's Britain.
ididn't get far. i need a research assistant
(interesting to see you wrote British Asian, i was looking earlier to see if paki was considered racist throughout the world, or whether it was particular to 70's Britain.
ididn't get far. i need a research assistant
real i'm not happy 'til you're not happy,
Sat 21 May 2011, 3:53,
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i should add that after further research i have concluded that paki is indeed racist and shall remain so.that's so gay!
*waits*
(*waits*
real i'm not happy 'til you're not happy,
Sat 21 May 2011, 4:09,
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If i wasn't so drunk,and it didn't take me so long to successfully type a sentence, i would like to get into this.
I'm a middle class white male who has spent a significant part of their working life in an almost exclusively 2nd generation asian male working place.
Almost all of my clientelle were 2nd gen asian, my bosses were 2nd gen asian - since i was doing graphic design for the aforementioned clientelle, my target audience was 2nd/3rd gen asian.
I can confidently say, none of them would have laughed off some sarcastic internet twat casually using 'paki' as if it didn't really mean anything these days.
(I'm a middle class white male who has spent a significant part of their working life in an almost exclusively 2nd generation asian male working place.
Almost all of my clientelle were 2nd gen asian, my bosses were 2nd gen asian - since i was doing graphic design for the aforementioned clientelle, my target audience was 2nd/3rd gen asian.
I can confidently say, none of them would have laughed off some sarcastic internet twat casually using 'paki' as if it didn't really mean anything these days.
4Q just lurking,
Sat 21 May 2011, 4:14,
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that's ok, it takes me ages to write a sentence too, often unsuccesfully thoughbut that's because my writing is generally horrendous, drunk or otherwise
if i thought anyone would be the slightest bit interested, i'd suggest they re-read my posts over the course of an hour or so and see how they get ninja'd so they make more sense, or otherwise ;)
(if i thought anyone would be the slightest bit interested, i'd suggest they re-read my posts over the course of an hour or so and see how they get ninja'd so they make more sense, or otherwise ;)
real i'm not happy 'til you're not happy,
Sat 21 May 2011, 4:23,
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Like you two, i don't want to condemn the man,but in retrospect, I think tramp gave him more leeway than I did (and should have) to excuse himself.
Tramp made it clear that it was the the term 'paki' and not the general thrust of the joke that was problematic but he still wouldn't/couldn't see the problem.
If he was genuinely 'anti-racist' then it wouldn't have been such a problem for him imo
(Tramp made it clear that it was the the term 'paki' and not the general thrust of the joke that was problematic but he still wouldn't/couldn't see the problem.
If he was genuinely 'anti-racist' then it wouldn't have been such a problem for him imo
4Q just lurking,
Sat 21 May 2011, 3:33,
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Yep.Perhaps the MORALITY POLICE rule could be:
OK, you've complied with the FAQ. But don't get your arse in your hands* if people call you a cunt when you post something stupidly cunty.
And don't act all shocked and wounded, ffs.
*West Midlands term for becoming infuriated/upset
(OK, you've complied with the FAQ. But don't get your arse in your hands* if people call you a cunt when you post something stupidly cunty.
And don't act all shocked and wounded, ffs.
*West Midlands term for becoming infuriated/upset
Sea Tramp the thinking woman's 8 Ace,
Sat 21 May 2011, 3:09,
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i like this term. i will be using it in the future. does it have to be written with a brummie accent?
( real i'm not happy 'til you're not happy,
Sat 21 May 2011, 3:10,
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You don't have to be a Brummie to deploy that term, but it helps! (but it's even better in a Black Country way, eg Wolverhampton, Walsall, Dudley etc. Nevertheless, I always get me arse in me hands when I see people trying to render our spectrum of accents in writing...)
( Sea Tramp the thinking woman's 8 Ace,
Sat 21 May 2011, 3:22,
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What's with the Afrikaans all of a sudden? Sea Tramp the thinking woman's 8 Ace,
Sat 21 May 2011, 4:27,
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What's with the ninja replies,you pernickety bastard? I just can't keep up.
( 4Q just lurking,
Sat 21 May 2011, 4:43,
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heh,we're just a bunch of jittery nervous wrecks on the lost highway.
( Sea Tramp the thinking woman's 8 Ace,
Sat 21 May 2011, 5:05,
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