You make three points1. The size of the moon appears to match the size of the sun during an eclipse. So, are you implying the earth is also physically special in the solar system in some way beyond this? If not, so what? The distance from the moon to the earth is 30.1 times the earth's diameter. That's not very synchronous with anything, so you look at it the other way round.
2. The ratio of distance to the sun to the size of the sun is similar to the ratio of the size of the sun to the size of the earth. Fine. You only notice this one ratio, though, and ignore many others, such as size of earth divided by size of moon, or anything to do with the other planets.
3. The atomic weight of silver is a similar number, and silver is associated with the moon. Well OK. I'm not sure how arbitrary a unit an atomic weight is. It means, at least, arbitrarily weighing things in protons. Many other things are associated with the moon, such as werewolves, periods and arses. Silver is only associated with the moon because the moon looks silvery. The moon is mostly made of iron. Perhaps there's a close similarity between some fundamental physical number to do with iron and the diameter/distance ratio of the moon - and perhaps numbers to do with werewolves, periods and arses can be found which also match - but again, so what? Don't worry about cherry picking: even excusing cherry picking, what are you saying?
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Wed 20 Jul 2011, 18:13,
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2. The ratio of distance to the sun to the size of the sun is similar to the ratio of the size of the sun to the size of the earth. Fine. You only notice this one ratio, though, and ignore many others, such as size of earth divided by size of moon, or anything to do with the other planets.
3. The atomic weight of silver is a similar number, and silver is associated with the moon. Well OK. I'm not sure how arbitrary a unit an atomic weight is. It means, at least, arbitrarily weighing things in protons. Many other things are associated with the moon, such as werewolves, periods and arses. Silver is only associated with the moon because the moon looks silvery. The moon is mostly made of iron. Perhaps there's a close similarity between some fundamental physical number to do with iron and the diameter/distance ratio of the moon - and perhaps numbers to do with werewolves, periods and arses can be found which also match - but again, so what? Don't worry about cherry picking: even excusing cherry picking, what are you saying?
"1. The size of the moon appears to match the size of the sun during an eclipse. So, are you implying the earth is also physically special in the solar system in some way beyond this? If not, so what? The distance from the moon to the earth is 30.1 times the earth's diameter. That's not very synchronous with anything, so you look at it the other way round."
well funny you should say that as it does syncronise the other way:
108 x earth's diameter = the sun's diameter
(within 1% margin of error)
108 X 12,742 ( earth diameter)=1,376,136 (actual 1,392,000 sun diameter)
(this is in addition to the sun diameter x 108 = the distance to earth!)
2. The ratio of distance to the sun to the size of the sun is similar to the ratio of the size of the sun to the size of the earth. Fine. You only notice this one ratio, though, and ignore many others, such as size of earth divided by size of moon, or anything to do with the other planets.
see above and why would I choose and cherry pick other planets when Im talkng about the 3 most relevant celestial bodies?
"3. The atomic weight of silver is a similar number, and silver is associated with the moon. Well OK. I'm not sure how arbitrary a unit an atomic weight is. It means, at least, arbitrarily weighing things in protons. Many other things are associated with the moon, such as werewolves, periods and arses. Silver is only associated with the moon because the moon looks silvery. The moon is mostly made of iron. Perhaps there's a close similarity between some fundamental physical number to do with iron and the diameter/distance ratio of the moon - and perhaps numbers to do with werewolves, periods and arses can be found which also match - but again, so what? Don't worry about cherry picking: even excusing cherry picking, what are you saying?"
well the point is as the ancients said 'as above so below'. a profound correlation between the macroverse with the microverse. so the 108 weight of the atom they used to symbolise its celestial counterpart also has a very significant relationship to 108. to say they did this with werewolvees etc is absurd
(well funny you should say that as it does syncronise the other way:
108 x earth's diameter = the sun's diameter
(within 1% margin of error)
108 X 12,742 ( earth diameter)=1,376,136 (actual 1,392,000 sun diameter)
(this is in addition to the sun diameter x 108 = the distance to earth!)
2. The ratio of distance to the sun to the size of the sun is similar to the ratio of the size of the sun to the size of the earth. Fine. You only notice this one ratio, though, and ignore many others, such as size of earth divided by size of moon, or anything to do with the other planets.
see above and why would I choose and cherry pick other planets when Im talkng about the 3 most relevant celestial bodies?
"3. The atomic weight of silver is a similar number, and silver is associated with the moon. Well OK. I'm not sure how arbitrary a unit an atomic weight is. It means, at least, arbitrarily weighing things in protons. Many other things are associated with the moon, such as werewolves, periods and arses. Silver is only associated with the moon because the moon looks silvery. The moon is mostly made of iron. Perhaps there's a close similarity between some fundamental physical number to do with iron and the diameter/distance ratio of the moon - and perhaps numbers to do with werewolves, periods and arses can be found which also match - but again, so what? Don't worry about cherry picking: even excusing cherry picking, what are you saying?"
well the point is as the ancients said 'as above so below'. a profound correlation between the macroverse with the microverse. so the 108 weight of the atom they used to symbolise its celestial counterpart also has a very significant relationship to 108. to say they did this with werewolvees etc is absurd
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Thu 21 Jul 2011, 8:51,
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No, you see, sun is to earth as earth is to moon (sun is bigger than earth, earth is bigger than moon). Size of sun to distance to earth is not in the same proportion as size of earth to distance to moon. You compare both the moon's size and the sun's size with the distance of the moon or sun respectively to earth, which is geocentric, so I thought perhaps you were advocating a geocentric model of the solar system, which didn't work out too well for the great astronomer Copper-Knickers.
To compare everything to earth and put earth at the centre is arbitrary.
You already said the bit about the sun being 108 times bigger than the earth. It's one of the three facts in your picture. That's what my point 2 is about.
You replied to point 2 with "see above", which in fact directs me to a reiteration of the thing point 2 replies to. You used this reiteration as a reply to point 1. You apparently misread point 1, and didn't get what I meant by "the other way round" (understandably enough, it's a very ambiguous phrase).
The earth's moon isn't any more relevant to the structure of the solar system than any of the various other moons of other planets. Its relevance to us of course comes from the fact that humans live near it. Physics doesn't know or care where humans live (at least not for the time being). You seem again to have geocentricism in mind.
Silver has nothing to do with the moon except in myth. Werewolves are not much more absurd in this context than silver. "As above so below" was a tremendous insight in its day, in the 3rd century, by the standards of the time.
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Thu 21 Jul 2011, 18:02,
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To compare everything to earth and put earth at the centre is arbitrary.
You already said the bit about the sun being 108 times bigger than the earth. It's one of the three facts in your picture. That's what my point 2 is about.
You replied to point 2 with "see above", which in fact directs me to a reiteration of the thing point 2 replies to. You used this reiteration as a reply to point 1. You apparently misread point 1, and didn't get what I meant by "the other way round" (understandably enough, it's a very ambiguous phrase).
The earth's moon isn't any more relevant to the structure of the solar system than any of the various other moons of other planets. Its relevance to us of course comes from the fact that humans live near it. Physics doesn't know or care where humans live (at least not for the time being). You seem again to have geocentricism in mind.
Silver has nothing to do with the moon except in myth. Werewolves are not much more absurd in this context than silver. "As above so below" was a tremendous insight in its day, in the 3rd century, by the standards of the time.
yepreading back the first point took a burton there, sorry
ok here's the elephant in the room and the point I was hinting at but didn't want to articulate...and maybe i'm playing devil's advocate over this a bit too much now but
108 has been revered as sacred and having a special significance in the Indian subcontinent for thousands of years i.e the indian rosary or set of mantra counting has 108 beads
and also : 1 power 1 x 2 power 2 x 3 power 3 = 108
1st power=1; 2 to 2nd power=4 (2x2); 3 to 3rd power=27 (3x3x3). 1x4x27=108
etc
long before 'science' told us about these measurements (diameters, distances of moon, sun, earth and their close relationship with the number 108 - (moon radius is also 1080 miles)
this just struck me as being odd and quirky enough to be worth pointing out, then again I could be wrong
(ok here's the elephant in the room and the point I was hinting at but didn't want to articulate...and maybe i'm playing devil's advocate over this a bit too much now but
108 has been revered as sacred and having a special significance in the Indian subcontinent for thousands of years i.e the indian rosary or set of mantra counting has 108 beads
and also : 1 power 1 x 2 power 2 x 3 power 3 = 108
1st power=1; 2 to 2nd power=4 (2x2); 3 to 3rd power=27 (3x3x3). 1x4x27=108
etc
long before 'science' told us about these measurements (diameters, distances of moon, sun, earth and their close relationship with the number 108 - (moon radius is also 1080 miles)
this just struck me as being odd and quirky enough to be worth pointing out, then again I could be wrong
Clay hopes this bit is long enough to promote my websi,
Fri 22 Jul 2011, 8:56,
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Oh well that's quite coolstill chariots of the gods / Graham Hancock style nonsense, but do enjoy those kinds of theories.
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Fri 22 Jul 2011, 20:38,
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is that the guy with the " god was an astronaut" bollocks?
nah i was thinking more just very clever ancient mathematicians like the way the ancient greeks knew the earth was round millenia before the world caught up
(nah i was thinking more just very clever ancient mathematicians like the way the ancient greeks knew the earth was round millenia before the world caught up
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Fri 22 Jul 2011, 20:48,
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No, that was Erik somebody. Graham Hancock is substantially milder than Erik von Whatshisface.Hancock's theories are about things like: all pyramids belonging to the same absurdly ancient highly advanced culture, which was similar to but not actually Atlantis but actually it was, and was located in some lost region or continent - which definitely wasn't Atlantis because only fruitcakes talks about the Atlantean Continent and Hancock is a SERIOUS ACADEMIC - let's call it the Batlantean Bontinent. Everything he writes is thoroughly cited, to the dodgiest sources imaginable.
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