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# just a bit of fun...

margin for error give or take 1%
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 13:08, archived)
# This is great - love this
edit: Has the margin of error just decreased?
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 13:17, archived)
# yep I just
checked with the abacus

(but i've got a feeling that margin for error is down to the accuracy of the scientific equipment doing the measuring)
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 13:19, archived)
# I love the picture
but I don't understand it at all.
:D
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 13:17, archived)
# I failed then
basically according to some yogis the meaning of life wasn't 42 but 108 . the programming code for reality

in a nutshell the distance between these celestial bodies is their diameters x 108 and oddly enough the diameter of the sun is 108 x earths diameter (give or take 1%)
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 13:20, archived)
# that is more interesting than Cameron's bilge in the HoC atm.
thank you for explaining. :D xx
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 13:46, archived)
# loverly ;)
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 14:30, archived)
# I assume this is also why we get total eclipses sometimes
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 14:12, archived)
# yep weird no?
because of the 108 ratio the sun and moon appear exact same size from earth

I reckon 108 is our 3d reality manifestation of a 4d higher reality gravity reset button :P.
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 14:24, archived)
# that is awesome!
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 13:27, archived)
# bizarrely
the moons radius is also 1080 miles too?
came out of a conversation with someone at nightclass, I was sceptical at first
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 13:30, archived)
# there also 108 missing Doctor Who episodes....
oh, and
2sin (108°/2)=Φ
results in the golden ratio
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 13:33, archived)
# That's great!
108 is my new favourite number.

(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 13:38, archived)
# It won't be when you wait for 45 minutes and then 2 turn up at the same time......
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 16:33, archived)
# They should redo the 118 adverts.
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 13:42, archived)
# That was going well until you mentioned the atomic wieght of silver.
As the atomic weights rise throughout the periodic table it was sheer inevitability that one element would have atomic weight near 108.

It also has no link with the other three measurements. It's like suddenly saying "Oh yeah, and my house number is 108!"
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 13:46, archived)
# the link
was silver has always been associated with the moon in ancient cultures ;)

(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 13:47, archived)
# Haha - I know what you mean.
But silver is a 'cool' metal. If it had been, say, tungsten, it wouldn't have seemed worth mentioning.

edit: and it's associated with the moon. That too.
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 13:49, archived)
# I have a collection of 108 spoons.
It was 122, but I've thrown 14 away.
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 13:53, archived)
# come on you stubborn bugger ;)
which element has been most associated with the moon by ancient yogis (which is where I sourced this info)?
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 13:56, archived)
# Spoon rhymes with moon.
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 14:04, archived)
# cat
rhymes with stubborn twat!
;)
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 14:07, archived)
# I'm just giving myself a reason to not get back to work
using the righteous banner of SCIENCE as my excuse.
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 14:09, archived)
# science
Distance between earth and sun = 108 x sun-diameter

sun diameter:
-1,392,000 km ("Sun" Columbia Electronic Encyclopedia. 6th ed. Columbia University Press, 2003)
- 1,400,000 km (Namowitz, Samuel N. and Spaulding, Nancy E. Earth Science. Evanston, IL: McDougal Littell Company, 1999)
- 1,390,000 km (The Amazing Structure of the Sun. National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), 2003)
- 1,380,000 km (Namowitz, Samuel N., and Nancy E. Spaulding. Heath Earth Science. Lexington, MA: Heath, 1994: 398.)

The distance between the earth and the Sun is called an Astrological Unit (AU).
1 AU = 149,597,870.691 kilometers
Even though this is the number given there are multiple places where variability gets into the numbers. One way is the elliptical orbit of the earth around the Sun.
Perihelion: 147.5 million km, about January 4th
Aphelion 152.6 million km, about July 4th (http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast04jan_1.htm)


Taking the mean distance between the earth and the Sun ( 149,597,870.691 km) and dividing it by the most commonly used diameter of the Sun (1,392,000 km) =

107.46973469181034482758620689655. which is 1% within 108

108 also turns up with calculating the other distances and circumferences too
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 14:12, archived)
# SCIENCE!
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 14:20, archived)
# Ancient Yogis?
I read somewhere that an English Doctor took Meditative Stretching to India during the Raj era and gave it a name pinched out of religious text. No such thing as "Ancient" Yogis....
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 14:06, archived)
# ok ancient teaching
practised by yogis. pedant
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 14:10, archived)
# The Bhagavad Gita was also inspired by and based upon
an overheard Robert Oppenheimer comment
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 14:17, archived)
# and all you needed
was a knife
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 14:06, archived)
# Not to mention
its extraordinary electrical and thermal conductivity
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 13:56, archived)
# Ooo yes!
Good call. Silver is awesome.
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 14:01, archived)
# Also, technically, no natural silver atom has a weight of 108.
They're either 107 or 109.
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 13:49, archived)
# yep
but I was using the old caveat I stuck in the post of the 1% margin of error (I made sure I covered my ass before posting) and you can't deny silvers association with the moon in ancient wisdom. thought that was a nice coincidence.

the average of 107 and 109 is 108 though ;)
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 13:51, archived)
# A 1% margin of error would mean that 108 could, acutally, be 107 or 109 and still quallify.
And 107Ag is slightly more abundant that 109 Ag
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 14:07, archived)
# you certainly know how to split a hair
silver weight is actually 107.8682 which is closer to 108 than 107



(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 14:20, archived)
# The entire discrepancy can be explained
it's made entirely out of little fractions of 108, added together.
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 15:58, archived)
# i want to eat pie.
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 13:59, archived)
# ^this
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 14:37, archived)
# Bollocks.
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 14:37, archived)
#
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 14:40, archived)
# Oh, nuts.
Yup: I think I got my radii and diameters ballsed up.
*recalculates*

OK - so I now get 825681.6. What I don't get is what all this is supposed to show, even assuming all your figures and calculations were correct to begin with.
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 14:51, archived)
# BALLS!
And I fucked up the atomic weight/ number thing.

None of which means that the 108 stuff makes the slightest sense, but it'd've been nice for one of us to be correct, wouldn't it? I still don't see what the point of any of this is.

*sobs*
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 15:08, archived)
# Now I'm having a good old chuckle at this thread!
nice to see a healthy argument unfold from "just a bit of fun..."
I was nearly taken in by it all!
top ranting everybody :)

*clicks*
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 15:02, archived)
# From CURIOUS MYTHS OF THE MIDDLE AGES, BY S. BARING-GOULD, M.A., 1867:
The laws governing numbers are so perplexing to the uncultivated mind,
and the results arrived at by calculation are so astonishing, that it
cannot be matter of surprise if superstition has attached itself to
numbers.

But even to those who are instructed in numeration, there is much that
is mysterious and unaccountable, much that only an advanced
mathematician can explain to his own satisfaction. The neophyte sees
the numbers obedient to certain laws; but _why_ they obey these laws
he cannot understand; and the fact of his not being able so to do,
tends to give to numbers an atmosphere of mystery which impresses him
with awe.

(Some examples later is this bit about the number 14:)


The number 14 has often been observed as having singularly influenced
the life of Henry IV. and other French princes. Let us take the
history of Henry.

On the 14th May, 1029, the first king of France named Henry was
consecrated, and on the 14th May, 1610, the last Henry was
assassinated.

Fourteen letters enter into the composition of the name of Henri de
Bourbon, who was the 14th king bearing the titles of France and
Navarre.

The 14th December, 1553, that is, 14 centuries, 14 decades, and 14
years after the birth of Christ, Henry IV. was born; the ciphers of
the date 1553, when added together, giving the number 14.

The 14th May, 1554, Henry II. ordered the enlargement of the Rue de la
Ferronnerie. The circumstance of this order not having been carried
out, occasioned the murder of Henry IV. in that street, four times 14
years after.

The 14th May, 1552, was the date of the birth of Marguérite de Valois,
first wife of Henry IV.

On the 14th May, 1588, the Parisians revolted against Henry III., at
the instigation of the Duke of Guise.

On the 14th March, 1590, Henry IV. gained the battle of Ivry.

On the 14th May, 1590, Henry was repulsed from the Fauxbourgs of
Paris.

On the 14th November, 1590, the Sixteen took oath to die rather than
serve Henry.

On the 14th November, 1592, the Parliament registered the Papal Bull
giving power to the legate to nominate a king to the exclusion of
Henry.

On the 14th December, 1599, the Duke of Savoy was reconciled to Henry
IV.

On the 14th September, 1606, the Dauphin, afterwards Louis XIII., was
baptized.

On the 14th May, 1610, the king was stopped in the Rue de la
Ferronnerie, by his carriage becoming locked with a cart, on account
of the narrowness of the street. Ravaillac took advantage of the
occasion for stabbing him.

Henry IV. lived four times 14 years, 14 weeks, and four times 14 days;
that is to say, 56 years and 5 months.

On the 14th May, 1643, died Louis XIII., son of Henry IV.; not only on
the same day of the same month as his father, but the date, 1643, when
its ciphers are added together, gives the number 14, just as the
ciphers of the date of the birth of his father gave 14.

Louis XIV. mounted the throne in 1643: 1 + 6 + 4 + 3 = 14.

He died in the year 1715: 1 + 7 + 1 + 5 = 14.

He lived 77 years, and 7 + 7 = 14.

Louis XV. mounted the throne in the same year; he died in 1774, which
also bears the stamp of 14, the extremes being 14, and the sum of the
means 7 + 7 making 14.

Louis XVI. had reigned 14 years when he convoked the States General,
which was to bring about the Revolution.

The number of years between the assassination of Henry IV. and the
dethronement of Louis XVI. is divisible by 14.

Louis XVII. died in 1794; the extreme digits of the date are 14, and
the first two give his number.

The restoration of the Bourbons took place in 1814, also marked by the
extremes being 14; also by the sum of the ciphers making 14.
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 15:36, archived)
# I can kind of see the point your making
but cherry picking from literally trillions of dates, names and events throughout history until you find some syncronicity and amorphous numerical pattern to make the point that this is somehow open to subjective interpretation is not the same as showing the one objective syncronicity in the distances between the one earth, one sun and one moon we have (and atomic weight of the one element used to symbolise it - silver/moon). I just thought it a bizarre set of coincidences. but what do i know :p
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 17:21, archived)
# You make three points
1. The size of the moon appears to match the size of the sun during an eclipse. So, are you implying the earth is also physically special in the solar system in some way beyond this? If not, so what? The distance from the moon to the earth is 30.1 times the earth's diameter. That's not very synchronous with anything, so you look at it the other way round.

2. The ratio of distance to the sun to the size of the sun is similar to the ratio of the size of the sun to the size of the earth. Fine. You only notice this one ratio, though, and ignore many others, such as size of earth divided by size of moon, or anything to do with the other planets.

3. The atomic weight of silver is a similar number, and silver is associated with the moon. Well OK. I'm not sure how arbitrary a unit an atomic weight is. It means, at least, arbitrarily weighing things in protons. Many other things are associated with the moon, such as werewolves, periods and arses. Silver is only associated with the moon because the moon looks silvery. The moon is mostly made of iron. Perhaps there's a close similarity between some fundamental physical number to do with iron and the diameter/distance ratio of the moon - and perhaps numbers to do with werewolves, periods and arses can be found which also match - but again, so what? Don't worry about cherry picking: even excusing cherry picking, what are you saying?
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 18:13, archived)
#
"1. The size of the moon appears to match the size of the sun during an eclipse. So, are you implying the earth is also physically special in the solar system in some way beyond this? If not, so what? The distance from the moon to the earth is 30.1 times the earth's diameter. That's not very synchronous with anything, so you look at it the other way round."

well funny you should say that as it does syncronise the other way:
108 x earth's diameter = the sun's diameter
(within 1% margin of error)
108 X 12,742 ( earth diameter)=1,376,136 (actual 1,392,000 sun diameter)

(this is in addition to the sun diameter x 108 = the distance to earth!)

2. The ratio of distance to the sun to the size of the sun is similar to the ratio of the size of the sun to the size of the earth. Fine. You only notice this one ratio, though, and ignore many others, such as size of earth divided by size of moon, or anything to do with the other planets.

see above and why would I choose and cherry pick other planets when Im talkng about the 3 most relevant celestial bodies?

"3. The atomic weight of silver is a similar number, and silver is associated with the moon. Well OK. I'm not sure how arbitrary a unit an atomic weight is. It means, at least, arbitrarily weighing things in protons. Many other things are associated with the moon, such as werewolves, periods and arses. Silver is only associated with the moon because the moon looks silvery. The moon is mostly made of iron. Perhaps there's a close similarity between some fundamental physical number to do with iron and the diameter/distance ratio of the moon - and perhaps numbers to do with werewolves, periods and arses can be found which also match - but again, so what? Don't worry about cherry picking: even excusing cherry picking, what are you saying?"

well the point is as the ancients said 'as above so below'. a profound correlation between the macroverse with the microverse. so the 108 weight of the atom they used to symbolise its celestial counterpart also has a very significant relationship to 108. to say they did this with werewolvees etc is absurd
(, Thu 21 Jul 2011, 8:51, archived)
#
No, you see, sun is to earth as earth is to moon (sun is bigger than earth, earth is bigger than moon). Size of sun to distance to earth is not in the same proportion as size of earth to distance to moon. You compare both the moon's size and the sun's size with the distance of the moon or sun respectively to earth, which is geocentric, so I thought perhaps you were advocating a geocentric model of the solar system, which didn't work out too well for the great astronomer Copper-Knickers.

To compare everything to earth and put earth at the centre is arbitrary.

You already said the bit about the sun being 108 times bigger than the earth. It's one of the three facts in your picture. That's what my point 2 is about.

You replied to point 2 with "see above", which in fact directs me to a reiteration of the thing point 2 replies to. You used this reiteration as a reply to point 1. You apparently misread point 1, and didn't get what I meant by "the other way round" (understandably enough, it's a very ambiguous phrase).

The earth's moon isn't any more relevant to the structure of the solar system than any of the various other moons of other planets. Its relevance to us of course comes from the fact that humans live near it. Physics doesn't know or care where humans live (at least not for the time being). You seem again to have geocentricism in mind.

Silver has nothing to do with the moon except in myth. Werewolves are not much more absurd in this context than silver. "As above so below" was a tremendous insight in its day, in the 3rd century, by the standards of the time.
(, Thu 21 Jul 2011, 18:02, archived)
# yep
reading back the first point took a burton there, sorry

ok here's the elephant in the room and the point I was hinting at but didn't want to articulate...and maybe i'm playing devil's advocate over this a bit too much now but

108 has been revered as sacred and having a special significance in the Indian subcontinent for thousands of years i.e the indian rosary or set of mantra counting has 108 beads
and also : 1 power 1 x 2 power 2 x 3 power 3 = 108
1st power=1; 2 to 2nd power=4 (2x2); 3 to 3rd power=27 (3x3x3). 1x4x27=108
etc

long before 'science' told us about these measurements (diameters, distances of moon, sun, earth and their close relationship with the number 108 - (moon radius is also 1080 miles)



this just struck me as being odd and quirky enough to be worth pointing out, then again I could be wrong





(, Fri 22 Jul 2011, 8:56, archived)
# Oh well that's quite cool
still chariots of the gods / Graham Hancock style nonsense, but do enjoy those kinds of theories.
(, Fri 22 Jul 2011, 20:38, archived)
#
is that the guy with the " god was an astronaut" bollocks?

nah i was thinking more just very clever ancient mathematicians like the way the ancient greeks knew the earth was round millenia before the world caught up
(, Fri 22 Jul 2011, 20:48, archived)
# No, that was Erik somebody. Graham Hancock is substantially milder than Erik von Whatshisface.
Hancock's theories are about things like: all pyramids belonging to the same absurdly ancient highly advanced culture, which was similar to but not actually Atlantis but actually it was, and was located in some lost region or continent - which definitely wasn't Atlantis because only fruitcakes talks about the Atlantean Continent and Hancock is a SERIOUS ACADEMIC - let's call it the Batlantean Bontinent. Everything he writes is thoroughly cited, to the dodgiest sources imaginable.
(, Sat 23 Jul 2011, 12:15, archived)
# Yay... I save my old concert tickets too... ;-).. that was a great gig......!!
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 16:23, archived)
# I KNEW IT!
Well, I didn't BUT NOW I DO!
(, Wed 20 Jul 2011, 17:09, archived)