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# more info req'd
i can't remeber the specific details of the event and how much the police knew before it got out of hand, but
if the police were aware of the overcrowding at an early stage and chose to do nothing, then they should be held partially responsible.
(I helped save b3ta! real i'm not happy 'til you're not happy, Thu 27 Oct 2011, 0:25, archived)
# It would seem a tad harsh
to put such a weight of responsibility on a body of armed people who can barely ever even hint at the ability to find their arse with both hands.
(I helped save b3ta! Sea Tramp the thinking woman's 8 Ace, Thu 27 Oct 2011, 0:32, archived)
# i'm feeling very anti establishment today
out of interest, do you think there is an inverse correlation with being well armed and the ability to find one's arse with both hands?
(I helped save b3ta! real i'm not happy 'til you're not happy, Thu 27 Oct 2011, 0:38, archived)
# I'll need to ask my Proctologist.
*gestures with bloody stump*
(I helped save b3ta! Sea Tramp the thinking woman's 8 Ace, Thu 27 Oct 2011, 0:45, archived)
# i'm going to have to politely ask you not to wave your willy around
(I helped save b3ta! real i'm not happy 'til you're not happy, Thu 27 Oct 2011, 1:03, archived)
# Tough luck, buster.
You're gonna have to ask rudely.
(I helped save b3ta! Sea Tramp the thinking woman's 8 Ace, Thu 27 Oct 2011, 1:13, archived)
# STOP WAVING YOUR DISEASE RIDDEN COCK AROUND, YOU HAMSTER FELCHING CUNT!
better?
(I helped save b3ta! real i'm not happy 'til you're not happy, Thu 27 Oct 2011, 1:27, archived)
# Much better, thank you.
*smooths overalls, dabs lips with napkin*

oh, and *stops waving disease-ridden cock around*
(I helped save b3ta! Sea Tramp the thinking woman's 8 Ace, Thu 27 Oct 2011, 1:44, archived)
# My understanding is
A huge amount of people arrived at once outside a football ground, perhaps a little later than expected. Fearing for their safety, the police opened a gate which created a surge into a bottleneck and killed 100 people.
(I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Thu 27 Oct 2011, 0:34, archived)
# was it the police or the ground staff though?
i remember the event itself very well, my dad kept interupting my 13th b'day party to watch the news.
inconsiderate bastard
(I helped save b3ta! real i'm not happy 'til you're not happy, Thu 27 Oct 2011, 0:40, archived)
# The police are certainly getting the blame
but to make such moves without consultation does seem odd. Maybe that is what is all about. Either way, the police seem damned if they do and damned if they don't. I'm not a massive fan But I'd rather have a UK policeman on my side than just about any other country.
(I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Thu 27 Oct 2011, 0:43, archived)
# again, i don't recall much about this and what you're saying is news to me.
consultation with who? (not being argumentative, this is a genuine question as i don't know who would be consulted)
one would believe that after all this time, if there is wasn't any evidence to suggest they police may be culpable, we wouldn't be hearing anything about it.
again, i don't know the facts, so i'm just hypothesising.
whether the uk police are any better than any others is debatable.
of course there are many countries where police behaviour is more akin to mobsters or even facist storm troopers, but ask ian tomlinson's family how responsible and reasonable the british police are.
(I helped save b3ta! real i'm not happy 'til you're not happy, Thu 27 Oct 2011, 1:15, archived)
# I reallly don't know enough about it
and even discussing it can get you in all sorts of trouble. I would have thought the police would consult the management of the stadium. After all; the police are actually guests inside UK venues paid for in part by them. Might not have been so back then.
Out of interest, what country do you think might have better police? The Canadians have cool hats and the Indians are a joy to watch on traffic control.
(I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Thu 27 Oct 2011, 1:26, archived)
# i don't know if i could say categorically who has a better police force
but my own limited experience and what i've seen in the news hasn't exactly endeared me to the uk police.
i think the thing to remember is what the role of the police is and the reality of what the police are for.
i'll try and pick this up again later if you like, but my boy wants to play hide n' seek,
so i'm off to hide inthe shower and read my book for 10 minutes
(I helped save b3ta! real i'm not happy 'til you're not happy, Thu 27 Oct 2011, 1:37, archived)
# Okies!
well past the time I should be in bed anyway.
(I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Thu 27 Oct 2011, 1:47, archived)
# From what I recall...
The police made an unfortunate mistake. In theory they should have been better organised but it has to be remembered that the fences that the people were crushed against were a fairly new thing, brought in because of the rising problems with hooligans.

In short, it seems to have been one of those occasions where a little incompetence went a long way.
(Richy_T hundreds if not thousands of dollars, Thu 27 Oct 2011, 5:53, archived)