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# Although I'm an atheist myself I do love the wicca traditions
Burning the yule log etc. just seems so much closer to nature.
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Fri 2 Dec 2011, 19:01, archived)
# Yeah, I admit I'm a bit of a naturist. Shame I'm the only one in my family that would want to partake in the Wicca side of it.
(I helped save b3ta! Bourbon Fox Bourbon is a moron, Fri 2 Dec 2011, 19:04, archived)
# you like to walk around in the nuddy?
(I helped save b3ta! discomeats This canoe, Fri 2 Dec 2011, 19:15, archived)
# Nothing wrong with that there is too much body-shame in society
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Fri 2 Dec 2011, 19:23, archived)
#
here here
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 2 Dec 2011, 19:32, archived)
# Well maybe not THAT naturist... XD
(I helped save b3ta! Bourbon Fox Bourbon is a moron, Fri 2 Dec 2011, 19:23, archived)
# "Wicca" traditions?
Yule is a pagan festival. Just because wicca stole it doesn't make it theirs.
(I helped save b3ta! Mu Dinofiddler, Fri 2 Dec 2011, 19:08, archived)
# Pagan is a generic terms created by Christians
Wicca is an actual religion, Pagan isn't - it's just something that's Heathen and Non-Christian.
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Fri 2 Dec 2011, 19:18, archived)
# Yes, a generic term.
The fact wicca is a (laughably) real religion doesn't mean they own the festival they stole from 1600 years before wicca was created.
(I helped save b3ta! Mu Dinofiddler, Fri 2 Dec 2011, 19:27, archived)
# Well I'm not saying I know enough about Wicca to state any such thing
but they do burn the yule log so it's a tradition within their religion although in truth it would appear they are Neo-paganistic rather than some ancient religious that the Christians assimilated as their own. Nobody know enough about traditional pagan religions as mostly they didn't write stuff down but it's clear that Christian used most of pagan belief system to ease the transition from pagan to christian. But Pagan is certainly a generic term so it wrong to attribute anything to them as it's more likely to be bits of one religion and bits of another. Nonethe less I prefer the agrarian based religions as they re based upon nature and seasons rather than some abstract concepts of Heaven and Earth.
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Fri 2 Dec 2011, 19:35, archived)
# To say Christianity "used" pagan beliefs is a bit much,
it's closer to the mark to say they couldn't do anything about it so they let them carry on.
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 2 Dec 2011, 19:41, archived)
# They assimulated some aspects of pagan agrarian-based religions
December the 21st is the Winter solstice and has been pre-dating Christianity if is understood that in some quarters that Christians used this date as the birth of Christ when evidence shows Jesus was probably born nearer to March/April time according to the star alignment and the change to the Gregorian calendar. But I'm not going to argue points I don't actually believe in it takes too many presumption on both sides to form an accurate conclusion.
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Fri 2 Dec 2011, 19:47, archived)
# December the 21st is the solstice in actual fact, regardless of religions,
it's an astronomical thing. As mentioned below, however, the date of Christianity is more likely from the Roman festival of the Sol Invictus.

There is, as far as I know, no evidence at all for the date of the birth of Jesus. Christmas wasn't celebrated at all until about the 3rd century because Jews didn't celebrate birthdays. Any attempt to relate the Star of Bethlehem to a real astronomical event is not only highly speculative but highly missing the point.
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 2 Dec 2011, 19:52, archived)
# Like I said I know very little of religion I'm not stating anything of any real value other than
there are questions regarding all religions.
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Fri 2 Dec 2011, 19:57, archived)
# More wrong than to assert a religion 60 years old has "traditions".
Or ascribing a tradtion to belongs to a religion that is younger than it by over 1 and a half millenia?
(I helped save b3ta! Mu Dinofiddler, Fri 2 Dec 2011, 19:42, archived)
# I really am stating nothing I'm an atheist - remember.
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Fri 2 Dec 2011, 19:49, archived)
# I suppose it's an actual religion,
but it's not a traditional one, as much as it likes to present itself as such.
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 2 Dec 2011, 19:29, archived)
# Not really pagan is just a generic term for many many different agrarian based religions
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Fri 2 Dec 2011, 19:37, archived)
# no I'm talking about Wicca.
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 2 Dec 2011, 19:38, archived)
# Ah yes Wicca is a neo-pagan religion
trying to re-establish the old agrarian religions. Which is mostly guess work as most pagan religions were not documented.
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Fri 2 Dec 2011, 19:41, archived)
# Where Wicca is concerned it's mostly making things up to fit in with what modern people would like to believe.
If there were any real effort to properly reconstruct the ancient belief systems, from what little we do know of them, there would be arrests.
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 2 Dec 2011, 19:48, archived)
# True and there is a lot of bastardisation of pagan culture as told by Christians
so it really is impossible to come to any conclusions about paganism in terms of the ancient agrarian-religions that existed in this country. The best model of paganism is the Native North Americans which shows close ties with nature and close community spirit, but whether British pagans followed these ideals is open for speculation.
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Fri 2 Dec 2011, 19:55, archived)
# there was no contact between Europeans and Native Americans so if there is any similarity
it is entirely coincidental.
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 2 Dec 2011, 19:59, archived)