Ah! interesting! I know Tolkein did base some places on Warwick. And that the trilogy was an allegory re the industrial revolution too. But not about Nazi Germany.
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Fri 30 Aug 2013, 17:35,
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The industrialisation of the Shire at the end of the book(not the godawful shite of an ending of the films)
is about the industrialisation of the midlands and his beloved Birmingham*
I wish the Hobbits had brummy accents
I'm no expert, just what I read years ago
(is about the industrialisation of the midlands and his beloved Birmingham*
I wish the Hobbits had brummy accents
I'm no expert, just what I read years ago
HappyToast Groat froth,
Fri 30 Aug 2013, 17:44,
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Two Towers always bores the shit out of me.
Brummy hobbits not too difficult to imagine, just pop down ... oh is Oasis the clothes and posters etc market still there?
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Fri 30 Aug 2013, 17:51,
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Brummy hobbits not too difficult to imagine, just pop down ... oh is Oasis the clothes and posters etc market still there?
I love the book of the Two Towersbut it's easily the limpest of the films. Unlike Happy Toast I actually like the films (well, until the godawful thirty dreary minutes of false endings in Return of the King) but Two Towers tests me. Particularly the utterly pointless diversion, via a Faramir who bears no resemblance to Faramir, to fucking Osgiliath of all fucking places. First, it makes no geographical sense and fucks up the timescale something chronic. Second, no-one would ever put the ring into Osgiliath -- it would be taken. Third, it's just really badly done.
Fuck that bit of that film.
(Fuck that bit of that film.
boris the spider,
Fri 30 Aug 2013, 18:09,
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I agree, there is very little wrong with the films.They're not perfect, but they could and should have been a hell of a lot worse.
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Fri 30 Aug 2013, 18:14,
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Damn straightThings I loved when I saw Fellowship of the Ring: no Tom fucking Bomba fucking dil, the irritating fat cunt who strolled out of a kids' fucking book to pollute my Lord of the Rings; and they didn't hide the fact that in reality orcs would be horrible creatures and it would be an unpleasant world of blood and death.
I might watch those films again :)
(I might watch those films again :)
boris the spider,
Fri 30 Aug 2013, 18:18,
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Yeah, not quite sure how they would have pulled Tom off.Fnarr
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Fri 30 Aug 2013, 18:19,
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As I was only saying this afternoonThe changing of where part 2 ends is an almost criminal perversion of brilliant storytelling.
Giving it an almost happy ending instead of the all is lost, Frodo "dead" Sam crying like a big wuss ruined it completely.
I lost all faith in Peter Jackson at that point. The utterly shit, drawn out ending to part 3 sealed the deal.
(Giving it an almost happy ending instead of the all is lost, Frodo "dead" Sam crying like a big wuss ruined it completely.
I lost all faith in Peter Jackson at that point. The utterly shit, drawn out ending to part 3 sealed the deal.
HappyToast Groat froth,
Fri 30 Aug 2013, 18:23,
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no u rong Ham o' Shatner -.-- --- ..- .-. / .- .-.. .-.. / --. .- -.--,
Fri 30 Aug 2013, 18:27,
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Speaking as a dyed-in-the-wool Tolkien nerdI think it's stretching it to say that the entire trilogy is an allegory for industrialisation, but it's certainly true that the Scouring of the Shire was about the industrialisation of the Midlands countryside and the loss of what Tolkien (as a wealthy, educated man) viewed as a "better way of life".
He was also open about the Shire being at roughly the latitude of Oxford and the Balfalas being roughly around Sicily, I think it was, or perhaps it was the Bay of Naples.
(He was also open about the Shire being at roughly the latitude of Oxford and the Balfalas being roughly around Sicily, I think it was, or perhaps it was the Bay of Naples.
boris the spider,
Fri 30 Aug 2013, 18:08,
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I didn't say the entire trilogy was I said the end was ;) HappyToast Groat froth,
Fri 30 Aug 2013, 18:14,
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Totally true :)but saintsandy said the whole trilogy was; I was agreeing with your more limited take on things.
Except the films. I like the films. Except the middle of Two Towers. That can fuck off. Also the terrible CGI of Legolas on an elephant's back. Seriosuly, I can do better than that and I'm an idiot at animation. Pah.
(Except the films. I like the films. Except the middle of Two Towers. That can fuck off. Also the terrible CGI of Legolas on an elephant's back. Seriosuly, I can do better than that and I'm an idiot at animation. Pah.
boris the spider,
Fri 30 Aug 2013, 18:17,
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Shelob section was ... alright ... but Frodo and Sam's escape from the tower by the Black Gate was ... awful. Best bit IHMO was Christopher Lee as Saruman. Legend.
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Fri 30 Aug 2013, 18:17,
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actually i don't remember frodo and sam's escape from the towerwhich doesn't say much for it, i guess
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Fri 30 Aug 2013, 18:18,
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really? I thought he was pretty poor, he could phone that hoary old routine in :D HappyToast Groat froth,
Fri 30 Aug 2013, 18:20,
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legend, though, inneee? Suppose I have got a bit of Dracular horn on at the moment. Was alright in SW ep.II too ... and those filums WERE shit.
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Fri 30 Aug 2013, 18:28,
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:O Jeez, he was even more wooden and depressing in thatwaving a couple of neon tubes about and getting his head chopped off by whiny anakin. Awful.
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Fri 30 Aug 2013, 19:24,
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