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# That's nice
I think I may go to bed.

2 whole days of trying to come up with a website design now, and still nothing, it's starting to iritate me now.
(, Mon 1 Sep 2003, 2:31, archived)
#
You could use something from that webdesign generator thing in the newsletter a while ago.
(, Mon 1 Sep 2003, 2:32, archived)
# Leave the design to the designers I say.
Make it work, then get someone to bung you some tables and a stylesheet.
(, Mon 1 Sep 2003, 2:33, archived)
# I don't mind how
my current design works, but i just don't think the design fits right with the content.
(, Mon 1 Sep 2003, 2:35, archived)
# Are we on about
(, Mon 1 Sep 2003, 2:37, archived)
# That's
the bugger.
And i know it's full of typos.
After making it I never really updated the content or checked over it.
It was more of an excuse to learn CSS than anything.
(, Mon 1 Sep 2003, 2:38, archived)
# To be honest
I like the way it's clean and trick-free. I can't stand busy design.

I have to say though, I hate the navigation. You should put text under the links to indicate what they are. I stared at the screen for 10+ seconds before I worked out how to navigate, others will too.

Generally ace though! Woo!
(, Mon 1 Sep 2003, 2:41, archived)
# Plus
you haven't linked to any of my sites!

;)
(, Mon 1 Sep 2003, 2:42, archived)
# Yeah
I know about the problem with navigation, if it comes to it I may just redesign the navigation and use the current design.
I'm not too fond of the "updates" iframe either though.
(, Mon 1 Sep 2003, 2:44, archived)
# You know
with your flash skills you could do the navigation with that, keep the same look, and have a small actionscript flash file, which downloads once in a top frame, instead of the javascript/html changing the images in onmouseover manouvers.

/my 2 pence.
(, Mon 1 Sep 2003, 2:47, archived)
# I've always tried to
avoid doing flash navigation with sites.
But I may do it this time.
I'll think about this time.

And when I am done, I'll be linking to your flash fear thingy, because it's great.
(, Mon 1 Sep 2003, 2:50, archived)
# Not as great
as your last effort mate. That humbles me.
(, Mon 1 Sep 2003, 2:51, archived)
# I read that
as 'hobbles me'
(, Mon 1 Sep 2003, 2:53, archived)
# I think i've gone and
shot myself in the foot with that one, beucase i'll never be able to top it.
(, Mon 1 Sep 2003, 2:53, archived)
# you better
fucking had do

i want more
(, Mon 1 Sep 2003, 2:55, archived)
# i've said it before,
but get a pen, get a stack of paper and start pissing about. or use Photoshop.

write down your tree of pages, (what _has_ to be on every page, what is most important visually etc) then draw as many scribbly ideas as you can. once you get one that looks like it could work, draw it out in photoshop
(this is what i do - depends on the style you might want to go straight into dreamweaver - it usually ends up being too graphic intensive..), then away you go.

it's not a complicated site, i can't see your problem - is it the look, the layout or what?
(, Mon 1 Sep 2003, 2:47, archived)
# The look
the making of it is easy.
(, Mon 1 Sep 2003, 2:55, archived)
# how are you doing it at the moment?
you obviously have the PS skills - why not draw a spiffy design then work out how to make it later. Don't even think about tables or the making part at all until it looks good.
(, Mon 1 Sep 2003, 3:03, archived)
# The way i work is
sketch on paper, then knock up a preview in photoshop, then build it upon that.
But i just draw a blank at the sketching stage.
(, Mon 1 Sep 2003, 3:07, archived)
# that's no good ;)
still to proud to steal someone elses?
(, Mon 1 Sep 2003, 3:09, archived)
# Yeah
damn me.

The biggest problem at the moment is I can't decide where to place the navigation. At the top or to the left.
(, Mon 1 Sep 2003, 3:11, archived)
# top means
more horizontal space, less room for navigation
side means les- well you get the idea (and got it a while back methinks)
definitly work out your page-structure first anyway. - that way you should know exactly what you need. Then try different options for the layout. Choose 3/4 colours/shades that really go together, put some roundy/angular(depending on which way you bend) corners on, and bob is you dads brother. fuck icons, poncy buttons, rollover images, graphical text, you should end up with a slick, clean design that looks good and is easy to get around, perfect for the real point of your site, showing off the content.
colour is very important (lots of offence, but i don't really like your present colour scheme)
(, Mon 1 Sep 2003, 3:19, archived)
# Colours - I did like at the time
but about 2 weeks later I didn't like it anymore.

In my head I have a vague image of a dark menu on the left. But the thing is I don't like dark designs, I like them to have a light background.
(, Mon 1 Sep 2003, 3:26, archived)
# open the colour-chart thing in
PS (can't remember what it's called but not the picker) and find a good shade, then you have a light background, a table filer, a text and table-border colour all derived from the same shade - choose a nice one and it will all fit together nicely.

Stick to one font, and sans-serif is always better in my opinion (definitly for titles anyway).

shading always looks a bit cheap in my opinion - i prefer solid colour personally (or those one-pixel one colour, next another look nice sometimes)

i think one of the problems in your current site is the parts see kind of seperate, not really smooth - they don't fit together. try to get it all looking as one, smooth transitions between menu and content (not shading, i mean so it looks like one thing)
(, Mon 1 Sep 2003, 3:36, archived)