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# haha
Make fun all you want, but Bush will win in 2004. MUAHAHAHAH and I will vote for him
(I helped save b3ta! Calmius, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 7:26, archived)
# arghhhh
get him!
(I helped save b3ta! anythingbutthisactually, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 7:30, archived)
# get him?
but how....
(I helped save b3ta! pieceoplastic.com CEO, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 7:37, archived)
# err
*gets*
(I helped save b3ta! anythingbutthisactually, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 7:47, archived)
# oooh, u've
made it do days so hav you?
(I helped save b3ta! viperrr mostly comes out at night, mostly, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:18, archived)
# Yes!
He will win again! Hahahahahahaha! And I will be able to eat all the kittens I want!
(Indole Ring, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 7:41, archived)
# Bush is one of the best presidents this country has had.
And I'm a liberal/democrat!
(I helped save b3ta! Batshitmentalist is sane for once, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 7:50, archived)
# i disagree 100% but uhm .. damn
*contemplates deleting this post*
(I helped save b3ta! pieceoplastic.com CEO, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 7:54, archived)
# For all of his WMD shit, which I rather think was a waste of space,
he has brought the morale of this country to an all time high and has a lot of good ideas that he just needs to put into practice.
I wholly disagree with a lot of his policies (mainly abortion among others) but he is a good President and really, could Dean do any better?
(I helped save b3ta! Batshitmentalist is sane for once, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 7:58, archived)
# his compassionate conservativism did the trick huh
i am sorry, but i dont care about morale. i care about policies. and they totally suck. its what he did that counts. not what he could have done coz he is such a nice compassionate man
(I helped save b3ta! pieceoplastic.com CEO, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:07, archived)
# I reckon most of his policies are good
though there are a few I disagree with.

But I'm really glad it's Bush in the White House and not Gore.
(Indole Ring, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:10, archived)
# Thank
you
(I helped save b3ta! Batshitmentalist is sane for once, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:16, archived)
# And whom would be a better
candidate??????

Like I said earlier, I'm very liberal/democratic....
(I helped save b3ta! Batshitmentalist is sane for once, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:15, archived)
# I don't
think that the country's morale has improved... it depends on where you're at I guess. Pretty much everyone I speak to wants him out of office, and that we're all screwed if he wins again... perhaps it's all the rain.
(ShigTheNewt isn't funny. -_-, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:13, archived)
# I'm in SoCal
and pretty much everyone I know hates Bush with a passion, but agrees he's been the best person in charge of this godforsaken country in the last 20 years.
(I helped save b3ta! Batshitmentalist is sane for once, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:16, archived)
# this confuses me.
how is this dichotomy possible?
what is it that makes him the "best"???
if at the same time they "hate" him???
(I helped save b3ta! pieceoplastic.com CEO, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:20, archived)
# Because as much as my friends don't like to move from
their staunch Democratic tendencies that have been ingrained in them since childhood, they're learning that politics isn't as straight forward as it seems.
(I helped save b3ta! Batshitmentalist is sane for once, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:23, archived)
# and then how do you explain
that outside of the USA - in europe and practically everywhere else - the US has never been as much hated as now.
bush may create good morale inside the US, although i am still not quite convinced, but in the process he has pissed off the rest of the world by behaving like an emperor and by squashing more and more critical voices and bringing back a moral standard that is sooo prudish and conservative, it scares the living shit out of many people.
(I helped save b3ta! pieceoplastic.com CEO, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:27, archived)
# The majority of the people outside the US
know about as much of US politics as you do European ones.
(I helped save b3ta! Batshitmentalist is sane for once, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:31, archived)
# well, i happen to live in europe or: <--- i escaped just in time
if a president of one nation takes it upon himself to start deciding whats good for the worlds fate and in the process ignores the UN and all other institutions that try to protect such things from happening, well he behaves like an emperor. we re back somewhere in germany in the 30's dude. the germans also thought hitler was the best thing that could happen to them...
(I helped save b3ta! pieceoplastic.com CEO, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:43, archived)
# And throughout history
people always thought they could rule the world, and continue to do so. That will never change, dude.
I'm talking about my adopted country, not the world and like I said I disagree with a lot of Bush's policies but what I believe he's done for this country has been a good thing.
(I helped save b3ta! Batshitmentalist is sane for once, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:46, archived)
# What..?
Ruining the economy is a good thing TM?
(Mr Joe Bangles, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:11, archived)
# Oh yeah,
the US Dollar has always been SOOOOOOOOOOOOO strong............

The economy was already in the shits - 100% FACT - and I don't see any of the other candidates proposing a feasible way to bring it back up!
(I helped save b3ta! Batshitmentalist is sane for once, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:14, archived)
# Good point
Or, the US could almost be considered a modern Roman Empire... and what happened to that?
(I helped save b3ta! MorpheusRiot Guambats or Guammibears?, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:51, archived)
# It lasted for about 300 to 1000 years
and greatly improved the level of civilisation in Europe. We still use some of the Roman Empire's creations today -- like the alphabet.
(Indole Ring, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:55, archived)
# There has been
no greater world power.
(I helped save b3ta! Batshitmentalist is sane for once, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:58, archived)
# The Roman Empire was cruel and violent
by comparison with our society, but it was still a big improvement on the rulers it replaced. And it laid the foundations of modern Europe.
(Indole Ring, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:02, archived)
# The world as we know it was (and still is)
based on domination and conquership.
This country that I live in and that I love celebrates Thanksgiving every year, forgetting that they slaughtered the indigenous people shortly afterwards.
America is not even in the teething stage of world "domination" and for a country to be where it is after only 350 years is bloody amazing!
It took us Brits a hell of a lot longer than that!
(I helped save b3ta! Batshitmentalist is sane for once, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:06, archived)
# Yes
It's a case of choosing the less evil alternative much of the time. The British did a lot of bad things, but they also left behind a lot of good things.
(Indole Ring, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:12, archived)
# It was also
a very brutal and capitalistic culture, and how many other countries and peoples did it try to destroy/take over? I was just making a compairison...
(I helped save b3ta! MorpheusRiot Guambats or Guammibears?, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:04, archived)
# It's a good comparison
as the historical role of the American Empire seems similar in many ways.

Both were far from perfect, but they brought great improvements in their wake. Like the Aqueduct, and the Interweb.
(Indole Ring, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:06, archived)
# I thought the guy that invented
the interwebby was English?
(I helped save b3ta! Batshitmentalist is sane for once, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:07, archived)
# Sorry
I should have said the Internet, as opposed to the Web which I think was invented by the English bloke. (or possibly a Swiss one?)
(Indole Ring, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:09, archived)
# fuctifino,
it's all the same to me!
(I helped save b3ta! Batshitmentalist is sane for once, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:10, archived)
# Quite a few people outside the US admire it greatly
but you don't see that mentioned in the left-leaning media.
(Indole Ring, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:39, archived)
# When do....
When do the majority of Amiericans (and I do know that there are some enlightened and sensible ones out there) give a shit about what happens outside the USA?
(Mr Joe Bangles, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:10, archived)
# exactly dude exactly
.
(I helped save b3ta! pieceoplastic.com CEO, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:23, archived)
# ...
*goggles at screen*
*jaw goes slack*
*considers buying sandbags and a high-powered rifle*

www.krysstal.com/democracy_whyusa.html
(Rogue Sausage, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:24, archived)
# great link that!
*bookmarks*
(I helped save b3ta! pieceoplastic.com CEO, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:30, archived)
# How so?
economy is dying again, education and environment have been all but forgotten, and what happened to the separation of church and state? I admit the other candidates may not be stellar, but right now I'd love to see anybody but Bush in office.
(I helped save b3ta! MorpheusRiot Guambats or Guammibears?, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:25, archived)
# Oh, so Gray Davis would have picked the economy back up?
Nope. And at least Arnie's trying.
In this country, Church and State will Never be seperated no matter what, but it's good to see we're trying.
(I helped save b3ta! Batshitmentalist is sane for once, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:29, archived)
# I wasn't talking about Cali governors
I was talking about Bush.
(I helped save b3ta! MorpheusRiot Guambats or Guammibears?, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:35, archived)
# My world is California,
if the United States wants to introduce a national curriculmn for education - and stick to it - then things may get better, but right now they're bad. Education is not even State governed, it's per district!
(I helped save b3ta! Batshitmentalist is sane for once, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:43, archived)
# On the other hand
Bush is doing something about the greatest threat to the Western world since the Cold War, and the US is no longer completely dominated by the sexism and racism inherent in the politically correct policies of the Clinton years.
(Indole Ring, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:42, archived)
# Taking away
a woman's right to choose isn't a form of sexism? And on some levels he is promoting religious descrimination.

knew I should have kept my mouth shut and stayed out of this thread...
(I helped save b3ta! MorpheusRiot Guambats or Guammibears?, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:46, archived)
# I do believe Indole
is stating his case the same way I stated mine.
(I helped save b3ta! Batshitmentalist is sane for once, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:47, archived)
# If a man has no right to choose
why should I care if a woman does or not? It should be both, or neither.

In any case, the Democrats were and are much more anti-male than the Republicans. Especially in the area of divorce law, child custody and child support.

The Democrats also support affirmative action, which is racist.

So I was happy to see Bush elected, and I hope he gets re-elected.
(Indole Ring, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:53, archived)
# ^ What he said ^
(I helped save b3ta! Batshitmentalist is sane for once, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:55, archived)
# Thank you


Now I just need to photoshop John Kerry as a carrot, or a horse, or something, and I'll be happy. :)
(Indole Ring, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:57, archived)
# holy guacamole
@ morpheus: and i started this thread... i apologize. blame me. and i am more scared than ever now of whats gonna happen with the US behaving like an empire ... and even able to convince the people who live there that its right.
(I helped save b3ta! pieceoplastic.com CEO, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:56, archived)
# ah, so you also
have aspirations of world domination? ;)
(I helped save b3ta! Batshitmentalist is sane for once, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:58, archived)
# I don't live there
I'm an Australian. And I can assure you that a US empire is preferable to an Islamic or Communist one.
(Indole Ring, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:58, archived)
# now thats a totally speculative point
and we will never be allowed to find out, and how could we? coz its the tendency of empires to impose themselves.
actually, what a great idea: how about we try these three options out for awhile: 10 years US/capitalist then 10 years communist then 10 years islamist. and after that the people decide which one works best. well actually, we prolly wont last that long if the capitalists get to start...
(I helped save b3ta! pieceoplastic.com CEO, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:02, archived)
# Not all that speculative.
We have historical examples of Communism and contemporary examples of Islamism to look at.

Would you prefer to live in the Soviet Union, Iran, or the US? I know which one I'd prefer.
(Indole Ring, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:04, archived)
# Nononono.
This is a very illuminating thread, thank you.
(tomsk, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:59, archived)
# no apology needed
I didn't have to step into this thread, and probably shouldn't have. I wasn't looking for a debate, only to offer a view that differed from others. Que cera cera. =)
(I helped save b3ta! MorpheusRiot Guambats or Guammibears?, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:07, archived)
# Which is why we're
still contributing to this thread. Go ahead and step in and FFS don't apologise for it - doesn't our society (i.e. western culture) pride itself on freedom of speech?
(I helped save b3ta! Batshitmentalist is sane for once, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:10, archived)
# Hell yeah.
And we'll invade anyone who disagrees. So long as they're sitting on some nice big oil wells.
</troll>
(tomsk, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:14, archived)
# *snort*
(I helped save b3ta! Batshitmentalist is sane for once, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:15, archived)
# If I were President
I'd invade the country with the most kittens.
(Indole Ring, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:18, archived)
# They've already
colonised us culturally, financially and politically. There's no need.
(tomsk, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:21, archived)
# Yes they have
mine are definitely the emperors of this house...
(I helped save b3ta! MorpheusRiot Guambats or Guammibears?, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:30, archived)
# hehehehe
freedom of speech is sketchy too... look at what happened to Howard Stern.
(I helped save b3ta! MorpheusRiot Guambats or Guammibears?, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:14, archived)
# That isn't a freedom of speech case
as you don't have a "right" to broadcast a show on a national network.

Though I don't agree with his sacking, it has nothing to do with the government.
(Indole Ring, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:17, archived)
# There again
just an example... a broad example, but an example nonetheless. =)
(I helped save b3ta! MorpheusRiot Guambats or Guammibears?, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:19, archived)
# That's very true.
Say what you like about Americans, but they're nothing less than psychotic in their defense of the 1st amendment.
(tomsk, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:19, archived)
# I'll say what
I want!

*bang*
(I helped save b3ta! Batshitmentalist is sane for once, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:23, archived)
# howard stern, nipplegate, etc etc etc etc
just look at this year's academy awards celebration and how well behaved all the artists were. intimidated? you bet.
(I helped save b3ta! pieceoplastic.com CEO, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:18, archived)