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# Actually not that even.
1865 onwards you can find examples
of red father christmass. Fat ones too.
(I helped save b3ta! Tahkcalb ω∞ for sigs, Wed 13 Dec 2006, 10:15, archived)
# clarification indeed
(I helped save b3ta! GrandmaOfShoes, Wed 13 Dec 2006, 10:17, archived)