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# yes!
a defence minister who didn't know the 45 minute claim was conventional weapons not nuclear in the propaganda push in the days before the war

2 options

1.he was incompetent
or
2.a liar

either way he should have been booted out
(The Goat www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com, Thu 3 May 2007, 16:44, archived)
# Depressing, isn't it?
I'm from a rock-solid Labour family, but I'm beginning to think it might be best to get the tories back in, just to demonstrate to idiots like Hoon and Bliar that this behavior is just not acceptable..
(I helped save b3ta! Finite "Aardvark sorted out my shit!" on, Thu 3 May 2007, 16:46, archived)
#
it s not about right or left this is just a dog and pony show, it's always about corporatism, they learn this the minute they come into office

the changes that need to be made are too radical for the voters - which involves radical changes to the banking system
(The Goat www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com, Thu 3 May 2007, 16:48, archived)
# True
we've reached an era of ideologically-bankrupt administrative government, a competition to see who's the best bank manager :(
(I helped save b3ta! Finite "Aardvark sorted out my shit!" on, Thu 3 May 2007, 16:50, archived)
# true
it's no coincidence all these head polticos are ex baristers and lawyers who know how to manipulate language and semantics to avoid prosecution when they get caught

remember Clinton definiting the word 'if' during Lewinsky to get off perjury charges
(The Goat www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com, Thu 3 May 2007, 16:57, archived)
# id like
1 term of tories to get labour back into a more sensible situation. i think i could deal with seeing david cameron on tv every day more than i could ever have with michael howard (this is solely how i base my vote)
(I helped save b3ta! Grundlebiscuit, Thu 3 May 2007, 16:49, archived)
# Maybe
But it's not just Cameron.. David 'hang em and flog em' Davies is in his shadow cabinet, as is William 'tory boy' Hague.. these are not moderate people!
(I helped save b3ta! Finite "Aardvark sorted out my shit!" on, Thu 3 May 2007, 16:57, archived)