A cogent argument.Well put. However Religeon and blind patriotism might have kept people like these in their place I dont think that going back to these things is the answer. Edumacation is the key and if you try telling most of these little emo/scally bastards that they'll laugh at you, stab you, steal your wallet then go drink some white lightning. Therefore I would suggest forcing these things on the malcontents for the benefit of the next generation would be the best answer. National service.
Ive become a facist without even realising it. Cool!
(Ive become a facist without even realising it. Cool!
P3L3 is not my real name.,
Mon 4 Aug 2008, 3:05,
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You have serious issues with emos.The more criminal and less educated of youngsters yes, but I can't see what reason there is for such personal self afflicting irrational hate for emos. It's only some shit music and a less impressive than punk style of dress.
No-one agrees with each other, that's the nature of the world. It's generally only when they have something ridiculously horrific happen to them that they start to look around, with religion or certain breeds of criminal apathy getting to that region of epiphany is near impossible anyway, and then would come how to do such on a global scale anyway. Alan Moore had an idea in Watchmen, he essentially had a character fabricate an incident so horrific and so compelling that everyone had to stop hating. They way people experience other people, other things, choices, liberties, there would be no way to convince people to be nice, because people are selfish cunts. "I don't want to be giving money to him, I don't even like their type, that's my fucking money"
So it's probably fairly accurate that the only way to teach anyone anything is to scare the fuck out of them. But then, what difference does it make when you are just using a new arbiter of good?
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Mon 4 Aug 2008, 3:14,
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No-one agrees with each other, that's the nature of the world. It's generally only when they have something ridiculously horrific happen to them that they start to look around, with religion or certain breeds of criminal apathy getting to that region of epiphany is near impossible anyway, and then would come how to do such on a global scale anyway. Alan Moore had an idea in Watchmen, he essentially had a character fabricate an incident so horrific and so compelling that everyone had to stop hating. They way people experience other people, other things, choices, liberties, there would be no way to convince people to be nice, because people are selfish cunts. "I don't want to be giving money to him, I don't even like their type, that's my fucking money"
So it's probably fairly accurate that the only way to teach anyone anything is to scare the fuck out of them. But then, what difference does it make when you are just using a new arbiter of good?
Ive read watchmen on the recommendation of b3tans (8/10)And your right about the need for some sort of catalyst to kick people up the arse and straighten them out. People said that world war 2 was the war to end all wars. Pfft, how stupid does that seem now? Well anyway I dont have anything against emo's per-se, they are just an easy target. My real vitriol and source of beleif that national service would be a good thing is Scallys. Burberry cap? Off you go to boot camp son. To say that emo's and goths are just useless is over-generalising however the slothful and miserable nature of these people goes against my grain. I've a friend who is an emo (in all ways except style) He tried to kill himself once and everyone was like "aww poor mr-x". As soon as I got a moment alone with him I gave him hell. I've no time for self pitying types, I find it beneath contempt, especially in western countries where even the homeless and destitute have it better than 90% of the world.
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Mon 4 Aug 2008, 3:37,
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The War to End all Wars was WWI, hence why the title is generally referred to ironically.Depression isn't exactly useful but it's reasonable considering the facts, if you honestly care about the world and other people then just the sheer nature of humanity is enough to be monumentally downsome. The main reason the western world is so depressed and sick of itself when the rest of the world is starving, dying, under genocidal attacks is because we have the knowledge, we know about it without having felt it. To the temperament of someone undergoing war or starvation it's much more simple: it's here, try to survive. They care about keeping themselves alive, their thoughts and morality, ideals and ambitions are all based on whatever situation they are in. That happens all over the world, people have to think about themselves.
The ones who never have it hard and never really have to think about themselves, they are the ones which end up seeing and worrying about everyone's troubles. Not true of everyone in that position of course, some are just greedy bastards who naturally think about themselves, but for a lot of other people it is just paralysing to have to worry about all the fates of all people equally, and given that they are all interdependant the act of trying to help one group will ultimately destroy another.
That's why people are depressed, although I put it more down to the fact that the way life is marketed these days is fucking boring. If the world had random duels and crimefighting vigilantism I'm sure fewer people would be clinically depressed.
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Mon 4 Aug 2008, 3:56,
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The ones who never have it hard and never really have to think about themselves, they are the ones which end up seeing and worrying about everyone's troubles. Not true of everyone in that position of course, some are just greedy bastards who naturally think about themselves, but for a lot of other people it is just paralysing to have to worry about all the fates of all people equally, and given that they are all interdependant the act of trying to help one group will ultimately destroy another.
That's why people are depressed, although I put it more down to the fact that the way life is marketed these days is fucking boring. If the world had random duels and crimefighting vigilantism I'm sure fewer people would be clinically depressed.
To Be Continued.Im going bed now to think up a plan for a new world order.
To completely fuck up an analogy:
The eggs are already broken, lets make a fucking omlette.
(To completely fuck up an analogy:
The eggs are already broken, lets make a fucking omlette.
P3L3 is not my real name.,
Mon 4 Aug 2008, 4:02,
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