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# said
from painful experience
(I helped save b3ta! isthisyou?, Tue 4 Mar 2003, 17:08, archived)
# Heh,
(I helped save b3ta! bovine I'm so old, even my old is old, Tue 4 Mar 2003, 17:09, archived)
# painful
for others, yes. quite often.

:o)

(I helped save b3ta! Manic can teach you the secret of fire, Tue 4 Mar 2003, 17:10, archived)