I see nothing but faulty logic in your argumentEngland being 'officially Christian' matters little - if you really cared about this fact surely you'd be in favour of a law banning religious subversion of any sort?
As for 'can you imagine what the Muslims would say', just because society seems to want to pander in a ridiculous and unfair way to one faith doesn't mean it should make that mistake elsewhere. Also, I find nothing here linking these adverts specifically to Christianity, that's your assumption and your bigotry.
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As for 'can you imagine what the Muslims would say', just because society seems to want to pander in a ridiculous and unfair way to one faith doesn't mean it should make that mistake elsewhere. Also, I find nothing here linking these adverts specifically to Christianity, that's your assumption and your bigotry.
"that's your assumption and your bigotry."England is a Christian country. Fact.
That is why I am suggesting it is aimed more at Christians than any other race.
"surely you'd be in favour of a law banning religious subversion of any sort?"
No, people can have their own opinions on things, I'd just quite like them to keep them to themselves.
Bigotry it is not.
" just because society seems to want to pander in a ridiculous and unfair way to one faith doesn't mean it should make that mistake elsewhere"
Both sides are at fault if you ask me. Stop pandering too them and they should shut up.
(That is why I am suggesting it is aimed more at Christians than any other race.
"surely you'd be in favour of a law banning religious subversion of any sort?"
No, people can have their own opinions on things, I'd just quite like them to keep them to themselves.
Bigotry it is not.
" just because society seems to want to pander in a ridiculous and unfair way to one faith doesn't mean it should make that mistake elsewhere"
Both sides are at fault if you ask me. Stop pandering too them and they should shut up.
Quijibo Esq. BSc. May contain traces of nuts,
Tue 21 Oct 2008, 15:56,
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And you stomp all over your own arugment again1 - All signs of faith are rejections of other faiths. Are you suggesting we ban all religious symbols of any description and make churches move underground?
2 - The largest faith in England claims to take in 22% of the population. The fact you lump a group of religions together under 'Christian' means nothing because I could just as easily describe it as 'Abrahamic' and thus include Islam and Judaism.
3 - If you want them to stop pandering then why did you argue against this in the first place?
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2 - The largest faith in England claims to take in 22% of the population. The fact you lump a group of religions together under 'Christian' means nothing because I could just as easily describe it as 'Abrahamic' and thus include Islam and Judaism.
3 - If you want them to stop pandering then why did you argue against this in the first place?
1. As I said, people can have their views, but I'd rather they keep it to themselves. If it means removing crosses from the front of churches and placing them inside as a clear line of what is "God bothering" and what isn't, then so be it.
2. You can describe it how you like. It is what England IS that is another matter. Legally, it's a Christian country. Most of the laws are based around (original) Christian views. Whether that is a good or bad thing I don't care.
3. Because this twat isn't shutting the fuck up either.
Atheism is an opioning I don't wish to be talked at about either.
(2. You can describe it how you like. It is what England IS that is another matter. Legally, it's a Christian country. Most of the laws are based around (original) Christian views. Whether that is a good or bad thing I don't care.
3. Because this twat isn't shutting the fuck up either.
Atheism is an opioning I don't wish to be talked at about either.
Quijibo Esq. BSc. May contain traces of nuts,
Tue 21 Oct 2008, 16:08,
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1 - You would really do that? Wow, you really must live a miserable, hateful existence to want to strip society of all overt differences.
2 - 'Legally it's a Christian country'? Prove it. Find me the laws. Go on.
3 - I think the last couple of lines say all that needs to be said about you.
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Tue 21 Oct 2008, 16:10,
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2 - 'Legally it's a Christian country'? Prove it. Find me the laws. Go on.
3 - I think the last couple of lines say all that needs to be said about you.
I think we could all get along nicelyif there was no need to attack one anothers beliefs because some people can't keep it to themselves.
That is what I think.
That is all from me.
(That is what I think.
That is all from me.
Quijibo Esq. BSc. May contain traces of nuts,
Tue 21 Oct 2008, 16:15,
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So you're going to argue and tell people to shut the fuck upbut not back it up and then claim you want everyone to get along?
Fuck off back to the Daily Mail.
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Tue 21 Oct 2008, 16:17,
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Fuck off back to the Daily Mail.
I'd like to think this was a discussion. Apparently not.What do you want me to prove then?
( Quijibo Esq. BSc. May contain traces of nuts,
Tue 21 Oct 2008, 16:20,
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The thing myself and Panasonic have asked you to prove at least twicethat 'England is officially/legally a Christian country'
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Tue 21 Oct 2008, 16:22,
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Have a look at the flag of England.Tell me what you see.
Fine, England doesn't have as high a percentage of Christians (or if you really prefer - C of E) as it used to. It does, however, according to the latest census, still have a very high amount that still affiliate themselves with it.
www.statistics.gov.uk/census2001/profiles/commentaries/ethnicity.asp
That shows you current statistics, which I'm sure you would agree, is still quite high.
There is little doubt, though if you really want, it is provable, that England's laws are based around (original) Christian beliefs.
(Fine, England doesn't have as high a percentage of Christians (or if you really prefer - C of E) as it used to. It does, however, according to the latest census, still have a very high amount that still affiliate themselves with it.
www.statistics.gov.uk/census2001/profiles/commentaries/ethnicity.asp
That shows you current statistics, which I'm sure you would agree, is still quite high.
There is little doubt, though if you really want, it is provable, that England's laws are based around (original) Christian beliefs.
Quijibo Esq. BSc. May contain traces of nuts,
Tue 21 Oct 2008, 16:30,
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High(ish) CoE membership does NOT make for an officially or legally Christian country. Try again.
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Tue 21 Oct 2008, 16:31,
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So now you're pulling me up on terminology,instead of actually getting what I was saying?
In at least my eyes, ~71% of the population makes that country a Christian country.
That and the monarch being Christian, and she is (theoretically at least) the law setter (though she does so through her parliament).
(In at least my eyes, ~71% of the population makes that country a Christian country.
That and the monarch being Christian, and she is (theoretically at least) the law setter (though she does so through her parliament).
Quijibo Esq. BSc. May contain traces of nuts,
Tue 21 Oct 2008, 16:35,
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When you say 'officially' or 'legally' I do expect you to stand by it, yesbecause y'see, the world doesn't opperate via your eyes. Also, the queen is not the 'law setter' and has not been since the deposition of Charles I. Also, once again, you are trying to modify your stance. And again, we come to the argument that the term 'Christian' is basically meaningless as one sect of 'Christians' does not follow the ideals of the other. As I said, the largest religion accounts for at best 22% of the nation.
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Tue 21 Oct 2008, 16:37,
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Fine.We'll agree to disagree.
Hug? :P
(Hug? :P
Quijibo Esq. BSc. May contain traces of nuts,
Tue 21 Oct 2008, 16:41,
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Grumpy.*Hugs anyway*
Opinions! Who'd have 'em.
I don't know why I get like that at times. I'm just sick of both sides having to shove opposing opinions in their faces.
(Opinions! Who'd have 'em.
I don't know why I get like that at times. I'm just sick of both sides having to shove opposing opinions in their faces.
Quijibo Esq. BSc. May contain traces of nuts,
Tue 21 Oct 2008, 16:47,
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the flag of England?Just how ill educated are you? I see the red cross. This was the standard brought over from the arms of Geoffrey of Aquitaine when he came to England to be monarch. It is not a religios symbol despite the fact that it later appeared on the arms of England's catholic murderers when they went to the middle east on their 'crusades' ( which was actually a land grab for the second sons of minor nobles who were having a hard time being anything under the laws of succession of the day. A fact many choose to overlook ).
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Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice,
Tue 21 Oct 2008, 16:40,
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I stand corrected.I wasn't aware of that.
( Quijibo Esq. BSc. May contain traces of nuts,
Tue 21 Oct 2008, 16:43,
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other way roundI think people realised it was a generally a really shit idea to go around killing people long before Jesus did or didn't roam the earth. Therefore i would suggest that what you call Christian Beliefs were based around common laws that have been around since we evolved into sentients beings (some of us are still undergoing the change).
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I'm not necessarily talking about killing people.That's obviously the first thing you think of though when you think of laws.
Take for example:
It was illegal to be Gay until fairly recently.
It was illegal to have sex outside of marriage.
It is illegal to have multiple wives.
Mainly, they seem revolve around sex, which is interesting.
There's many that were likely to not have been around prior to Jesus' possible existence.
(Take for example:
It was illegal to be Gay until fairly recently.
It was illegal to have sex outside of marriage.
It is illegal to have multiple wives.
Mainly, they seem revolve around sex, which is interesting.
There's many that were likely to not have been around prior to Jesus' possible existence.
Quijibo Esq. BSc. May contain traces of nuts,
Tue 21 Oct 2008, 16:56,
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England is not a christian nation.( what does that mean anyway?) And seeing as you state it as fact I'll be awaiting the bit where you show me the law which states that as fact.
( Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice,
Tue 21 Oct 2008, 16:05,
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Ashleywe have jewish law and some Islamic. ok confined to civil courts but it exists -you can get divorced under them for example
There is no christian equivalent.
/psychology tutorial mode off
(There is no christian equivalent.
/psychology tutorial mode off
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Tue 21 Oct 2008, 16:15,
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this means nothing to me.Our law is not canonical even if it has ideas which overlap with religious group law. having a sensible law that allows for people to know right or wrong so that they make people behave in a moral manner and has nothing whatsoever to do with religion.
( Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice,
Tue 21 Oct 2008, 16:29,
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Well, the C of E does have certain special, rather boring powers.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_England_Assembly_(Powers)_Act_1919
And it is called the Church of England.
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Tue 21 Oct 2008, 16:47,
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And it is called the Church of England.