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# Exactly, the whole 'I'm vegan' argument is completely flawed
Can they honestly say that no animals have ever been harmed to produce everything they own and eat? No, so they should just STFU and enjoy eating the tasty meat.
(, Tue 7 Apr 2009, 15:36, archived)
# So it should be all or nothing then?
There's no half way house at all?
(, Tue 7 Apr 2009, 15:38, archived)
# For vegans no
They can be vegetarians if they like, but they shouldn't call themselves vegans.
(, Tue 7 Apr 2009, 15:40, archived)
# So if a vegan is someone who doesn't want to exploit animals,
why can they not use manure to grow their crops? It's a waste product and doesn't harm or affect the animal by taking it.
I think it's a bit strange to say 'you're not a perfect vegan, so you may as well eat meat'
Seems like telling a Christian that since they've broken one commandment, they may as well start murdering people.
(, Tue 7 Apr 2009, 15:47, archived)
# Okay then, what do you hate and purposly not support?
(, Tue 7 Apr 2009, 15:38, archived)
# Veganism
So I enjoy plenty of animal based products, not least of which bacon sandwiches and sushi.
(, Tue 7 Apr 2009, 15:42, archived)
# I could use you same urgument to say fuck off on your high hourse because the bread in the sandwhich isn't meat.
(, Tue 7 Apr 2009, 15:44, archived)
# Nah
There was plenty of animal byproducts that went into making that bread.

Diesel for the transportation,
Butter in the recipe,
Yeast - which are fungi and more related to animals than plants.
(, Tue 7 Apr 2009, 15:48, archived)
# Now you're just being silly
(, Tue 7 Apr 2009, 15:49, archived)
# Actually, no, he's not.
He's being a realist.
(, Tue 7 Apr 2009, 15:51, archived)
# I'm sure something you've done today had far away links to something you apposed
it doesnt mean you should care about it
(, Tue 7 Apr 2009, 15:57, archived)
# I agree.
But the point is:

that the whole objective of Veganism is obviated by the simple fact that it is impossible to conform to it 100%, and the fact that any attempt to do so would be ludicrous.

Anyway. I don't really strongly oppose anything... to do so is a horrible waste of time that could have been spent enjoying something that I do like. Like steak.
(, Tue 7 Apr 2009, 16:16, archived)
# The concept of morality and good and evil doesn't work in any objective sense.
Though that's scarcely reason to abandon everything and start murdering babies. Just because you can't realistically apply to something fully, doesn't mean you should abandon the intent and what you hoped to achieve in the first place.
(, Tue 7 Apr 2009, 16:21, archived)
# Fungi are a separate kingdom, so roughly as different from animals as they are from plants.
Also, I think the argument for animals being 'special' in veganism is to do with the capacity for emotions, which I'm not sure has been demonstrated in mushrooms yet.
Plus, I've never used butter to make bread.
(, Tue 7 Apr 2009, 15:53, archived)
# As Frankie Boyle says:
Of course there's a vegetarian option... you can fuck off!
(, Tue 7 Apr 2009, 15:47, archived)
# Bwahahahahaha!
(, Tue 7 Apr 2009, 15:50, archived)
# precisely
(, Tue 7 Apr 2009, 15:50, archived)
# omg it's funny because it's irrelevant to the argument
(, Tue 7 Apr 2009, 15:58, archived)