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# i don't think so
i think they should remove that system, what happens if you missed the sign? BOLLARDS SUDDENLY APPEAR INTO YOU CAR... not good, not clever
edit : assuming you've never been to manchester before (like me)
(I helped save b3ta! SkUG >_O i got a couple of stitches in my eyeball... ow, Tue 5 May 2009, 23:23, archived)
# yeah,
and take all the bends out of the roads as well, in case someone doesn't see one of those coming either. And put fucking cushions everywhere.

If you can't pay at least that much attention, you shouldn't be driving.
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Tue 5 May 2009, 23:26, archived)
# ooo cushions everywhere would be GREAT!
(I helped save b3ta! Quijibo Esq. BSc. May contain traces of nuts, Tue 5 May 2009, 23:27, archived)
# I don't have any seatbelts
my doors are optional and my windscreen folds down
Signs are easily missed if you are watching stupid pedestrians walking about all over your road in a strange place you've never been, *SUDDENLY BOLLARDS* is not something you expect to see if your following a bus in the hope that'll come out somewhere not lost...
(I helped save b3ta! SkUG >_O i got a couple of stitches in my eyeball... ow, Tue 5 May 2009, 23:28, archived)
# what are you a fucking clown or something?
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Tue 5 May 2009, 23:30, archived)
# possibly the driver
of a jeep.
(InsaneKingKong Terrorizes cities, but leaves polite calling cards, Tue 5 May 2009, 23:33, archived)
# pffft
I've got a proper car
(I helped save b3ta! SkUG >_O i got a couple of stitches in my eyeball... ow, Tue 5 May 2009, 23:34, archived)
# Land rovers were based on US army jeeps left over after WWII.
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Tue 5 May 2009, 23:36, archived)
# and the jeep was based on an austin seven
I own an austin seven too
The Land Rover is superior
(I helped save b3ta! SkUG >_O i got a couple of stitches in my eyeball... ow, Tue 5 May 2009, 23:39, archived)
# no...
I drive a 1954 86" Series 1 Land Rover
Vehicles before 1964 don't need seatbelts
Vehicles before 1973 don't need to pay roadtax
If you're car is older than (i forget) 1933 or something like that, you don't even need a speedo!
A car fitted without any lights (not originally fitted with any) may only be driven during the day but reflectors must be fitted
Who needs seatbelts anyways? When you're top speed is 55mph and your average is 40mpg - i've fallen off my pushbike faster than that!
(I helped save b3ta! SkUG >_O i got a couple of stitches in my eyeball... ow, Tue 5 May 2009, 23:34, archived)
# They should totally stop enforcing local bylaws
so that you can drive a clown car.
Anyway, if you don't need seatbelts, what are you on about?
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Tue 5 May 2009, 23:36, archived)
# pardon?
(I helped save b3ta! SkUG >_O i got a couple of stitches in my eyeball... ow, Tue 5 May 2009, 23:37, archived)
# Yes you,
you with the "oh my car is far to old to comply with the same basic safety legislation that applies to everyone else therefore I should be allowed to drive without due care and attention through no-entry signs"
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Tue 5 May 2009, 23:40, archived)
# ...where did you get that idea from?
I was mearly stating, that IF i was new to that town, which I would be, and there are that many numpties walking in the road and I missed the sign because someone had a big head and was standing infront of it, I would not be expecting a pair of bollards to be jumping out underneath my car, the fact of the matter is that people do have lapses of concentration, sometimes by a kid screaming in the back (note the black thing) - its a stupid idea and dangerous
(I helped save b3ta! SkUG >_O i got a couple of stitches in my eyeball... ow, Tue 5 May 2009, 23:43, archived)
# I'm just not entirely sure why your particular eccentric choice of transport is relevant to anything.
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Tue 5 May 2009, 23:46, archived)
# its not
i'm going to bed
(oh and it was in regard to having cushions everywher... like modern cars - make you feel more safer with all those cushiony things like airbags and seatbelts and crumble zones - just put a great big spike on the steering wheel n watch everyone slow down...)
(I helped save b3ta! SkUG >_O i got a couple of stitches in my eyeball... ow, Tue 5 May 2009, 23:47, archived)
# oh yeah,
good point. I fucking hate airbags. I was in a car last week with airbags down the sides of the windscreen. Win for "crash safety" over visibility. But it gets them points in consumer something or others.
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Tue 5 May 2009, 23:51, archived)
# you two just can't get along
can you?
(InsaneKingKong Terrorizes cities, but leaves polite calling cards, Tue 5 May 2009, 23:44, archived)
# I'm actually really tired
so i'm going to bed
Everyone is entitled to my opinion :)
G'nite y'all
(I helped save b3ta! SkUG >_O i got a couple of stitches in my eyeball... ow, Tue 5 May 2009, 23:45, archived)
# night skug
(InsaneKingKong Terrorizes cities, but leaves polite calling cards, Tue 5 May 2009, 23:48, archived)
# G'nite
(I helped save b3ta! SkUG >_O i got a couple of stitches in my eyeball... ow, Tue 5 May 2009, 23:50, archived)
# The people in the first car are clearly moronic as they make 2 goes at it.
(I helped save b3ta! Quijibo Esq. BSc. May contain traces of nuts, Tue 5 May 2009, 23:27, archived)
# I haven't
and i'm assuming they serve some sort of legitimate purpose- but maybe they don't. If they do, they should have their licenses revoked. If they don't, they should take out the bollards.
(InsaneKingKong Terrorizes cities, but leaves polite calling cards, Tue 5 May 2009, 23:29, archived)
# they're to stop people going down the bus lanes.
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Tue 5 May 2009, 23:31, archived)
# makes sense to me
but they don't have bus lanes in America.
(InsaneKingKong Terrorizes cities, but leaves polite calling cards, Tue 5 May 2009, 23:33, archived)
# anyone who proposed their introduction would be shot as a commie.
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Tue 5 May 2009, 23:34, archived)
# In which case cameras are probably a better idea.
Yes. Cameras.
(I helped save b3ta! Quijibo Esq. BSc. May contain traces of nuts, Tue 5 May 2009, 23:33, archived)
# ban the bus
waste of space
(I helped save b3ta! SkUG >_O i got a couple of stitches in my eyeball... ow, Tue 5 May 2009, 23:35, archived)
# yeah 40 people in the space of two cars
wastes so much more space than two people in two cars. And it's so cheap to run a car these days! They're practically giving them away! I sneezed one out my nose this morning.
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Tue 5 May 2009, 23:39, archived)
# at 9am in the morning and 5pm at night there are 40 people on a bus
the rest of the day there are 3 people on the bus
(I helped save b3ta! SkUG >_O i got a couple of stitches in my eyeball... ow, Tue 5 May 2009, 23:40, archived)
# 3 is still more than 2.
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Tue 5 May 2009, 23:41, archived)
# so what?
who cares how many people there are in a car, driving, they've paid their road tax, they are entitled to drive on the road, oh and global warming... explain the ice age please?
(I helped save b3ta! SkUG >_O i got a couple of stitches in my eyeball... ow, Tue 5 May 2009, 23:44, archived)
# What?
Now seriously, what the fuck? People on the bus have paid for their tickets, and the bus company has paid whatever they have to as well, they're not run by gangsters. Oh and global warming. Even more what the fuck. What the fucking shuddering fuck. Argue with the entire scientific community.
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Tue 5 May 2009, 23:48, archived)
# buses are evil
(I helped save b3ta! SkUG >_O i got a couple of stitches in my eyeball... ow, Tue 5 May 2009, 23:50, archived)
# I'm all for walking,
but they're still a far more practical solution for most people's transport needs than individual privately-owned vehicles. Heck, it would probably be cheaper for me to get taxis everywhere than to buy and keep a car.

(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Tue 5 May 2009, 23:53, archived)
# you're buying the wrong type of car (I can walk home faster than it takes the bus to get to my house - 4 miles!)
tax exempt, cheap to maintain and no stupid electronics to go wrong, besides how many cars have they built to replace my one thats still going from 1955? i'd imagine alot...
Anyways I'm tired and sleepy and I like to sleep
(I helped save b3ta! SkUG >_O i got a couple of stitches in my eyeball... ow, Wed 6 May 2009, 0:05, archived)
# go bed.
your bus service sounds shit.
not everyone can own an old land rover, because there are a finite number of them, and I'm guessing they're all already owned.

(I'm not buying any type of car BTW, that would be foolish)
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 6 May 2009, 0:09, archived)
# bugger I missed this.
I told you before.
Toyota Hilux. Better built than any land Rover and will outlive the cockroaches. Unlike the land Rover which is unbearably shit. And I had to deal with enough of the bastards in the Artillery.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Wed 6 May 2009, 0:16, archived)
# The Hilux is something I would consider buying if I ever need something that does what it does,
which is at present unforeseeable, but it is awesome. Mind you, I think the land rover is awesome as well. Those and the rover mini are the only cars I would consider buying for any reason at all. But I can walk, so...

I just worked out, if I worked 47 weeks a year, 5 days a week, in the centre of town, at today's prices that would cost me 47*5*2*£9 = £4230 in taxi fares. I reckon plenty of people spend that much a year or close on their cars, when you take it all into account - the price of the car itself, road tax, insurance, petrol, maintenance...
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 6 May 2009, 0:26, archived)
# Oh don't get me wrong,
given a choice, which I was, I bought a Mitsubishi L200 Warrior and have had 3. But ifI wanted a monster I could not afford to replace each year then it would always be a hilux.

As for spend?

2007 I spent £67k on a car, beginning 2008 I ordered one and put a deposit down, end 2008 I bought another one for £11k and Mar 2009 the one I ordered a year before arrived which after credit crunch cost me £70k
I'm not the average motorist ;)
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Wed 6 May 2009, 0:43, archived)
# I might own a car one day.
But I probably won't.
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 6 May 2009, 0:45, archived)