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# Holy roman empire 2.0?
(, Sat 23 Jan 2010, 0:21, archived)
# Holy Roman Empire 2.0 Batman!
(, Sat 23 Jan 2010, 0:22, archived)
# oh yes.
well that's essentially what it is, isn't it? They seem to want to aim their marketing at all the bedwetting liberals, for some reason, but let's face it, they're pro-centralisation, undemocratic and expansionist. If they could only summon up the gumption to be proud of it they could turn the conservatives to their side in an instant, because what could be more conservative than going back a millennia or two?
(, Sat 23 Jan 2010, 0:28, archived)
# Oooh, "Little bit of politics"*
(and I don't really disagree)



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or I could have posted the "all politicians are liars" one


*Citation:Ben Elton
(, Sat 23 Jan 2010, 0:35, archived)
# It has struck a number of observers that way, yes.
Golden ages are so attractive from hind sight. And I say that with the
full pun implications. Interesting bit for me is, the structure also
preserves damn near all of the inherent failures of the previous eras.
(, Sat 23 Jan 2010, 0:38, archived)
# and why are they so fussed about Turkey joining?
Most of Turkey isn't even in Europe.

The answer should be obvious. CONSTANTINOPLE. Yeah, get that back off the Ottomans at long last.
(, Sat 23 Jan 2010, 0:40, archived)
# I agree.
But the geopolitical positions of the nation states kind of
push in that direction, despite these old blood feuds.
Sort of emerges from the map in my way of looking at it.
Who has banner X changes faster than the small seas. [/;-D
(, Sat 23 Jan 2010, 0:46, archived)
# everything goes right back to the beginning of civilisation, if you look at it.
the double-headed eagle dates back to the Hittites, 20th-13th century B.C. And then look at Iraq, where it all began, Saddam Hussein thinking he's the new Nebuchadnezzar, reconstructing the hanging gardens of Babylon and whatnot. And then Zionism. There's no such thing as the modern world. It all just keeps going on. It's kind of reassuring in a way. The Universe has a plot.
(, Sat 23 Jan 2010, 0:55, archived)
# Rhythm, tides, beat-- all have been used to describe that.
Exposure to the wider world 1600+ makes an impact that changes the tone for me. I've
argued that the First World War starts a little after that --near the French&Indian war--
and hasn't fucking finished yet.
(, Sat 23 Jan 2010, 1:02, archived)