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# There is no 'classless' party and we don't live in a classless society
everybody else votes for their interests first so why should it be wrong for working-class people to put their interests first? The workers have had their rights stripped right to the bone and that causes the tensions that lead to strike actions erupting all over the UK. Give us decent pay and decent working conditions and we will be content.
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Fri 9 Apr 2010, 12:16, archived)
# I suggest...
...you try getting job in China for a year or two. Then come back and tell use what having "rights stripped right to the bone" really means.
There's much to be angry about in UK politics (digital economy bill, broadcast flag, ID cards/database, RIPA, EVCS/ISA etc), but I don't feel employees' rights is one of them.
As for putting ones one's interests (or one's principals) first; that's fine IMHO. That's how it is supposed to work isn't it? The elected body is an "average" of what the populace think? (Hopefully with some kind of protection for minority views). I know I will be voting for whomever I think will serve me best and has the closest match with my world-view.
[Which will b the least-bad candidate as always, and certainly not the twat-badger who got by name and address by abusing the electoral roll. Reminds me...snotty letter time]
(SpangleDangle >->)))'>, Fri 9 Apr 2010, 12:30, archived)
# Oh right the Fucking "Get a Job in China/Russia/Some Random Psuedo-Communist Country" argument
you do well standing heckling Trade Union Marches - if you're quick you can heckle some tomorrow in London!
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Fri 9 Apr 2010, 12:33, archived)
# Urf...unions
They'll be fourth against the wall come the revolution.
They served a purpose once (maybe some still do), but most are simply fiefdoms for those in charge, they have really served their members well, haven't they? Look at the twonk they helped put in power!
(SpangleDangle >->)))'>, Fri 9 Apr 2010, 12:38, archived)
# I'd rather be in a Union than not in one
if you don't cross a picket line and you're in the Union you are covered by their lawyers against getting the sack - if you're not in a Union and don;t cross a Picket-Line you have no cover at all. The Union beaucracy is corrupt but that doesn't mean the structure is unsound it just mean we have to work hard about changing the leadership. Unlike the Labour Party the structure is now throughly un-sound from to top to the bottom.
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Fri 9 Apr 2010, 12:51, archived)
# Here's the thing
I'd cross the picket line quite happily. If my employer pisses me off enough (not that they do) then I'll simply go somewhere else. I am not in a union as you can probably guess.
I am confused by your last comment. The Labour Party is un-sound IMO, and I would say that unions are equally un-sound.
(SpangleDangle >->)))'>, Fri 9 Apr 2010, 13:02, archived)
# The roots of the Union are ordinary working people
the bureaucracy of the Union are un-sound no doubt as they are the same people who support the Labour party - we have to turn that around by seizing control of the Unions and bringing it back into democratic control. The Labour Party is too far gone for that ever to happen. The Unions need to stop supporting Labour and fund a working-class alternative.
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Fri 9 Apr 2010, 13:12, archived)
# All you need to do is put the roots at the top of the power structure, and keep them there.
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Fri 9 Apr 2010, 13:27, archived)
# Yup and there's the rub
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Fri 9 Apr 2010, 13:30, archived)
# It should be principles, not interests
or you're a selfish goit.
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Fri 9 Apr 2010, 13:20, archived)