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This is a normal post I'm not getting into this debate.

(I helped save b3ta! Black Moon Not cracked, I'm all up to be., Sat 15 Mar 2014, 1:07, , Reply)
This is a normal post It's not a debate.
I'm involved with the manufacture of some of the components used in the gearboxes for various manufacturers of wind turbines and hence know quite a bit about how much "embedded energy" there is in a wind turbine.

and it's a lot.
 (fastandfurryous What was the question again?, Sat 15 Mar 2014, 14:43, , Reply)
This is a normal post lol,
you said "bedded"
 (softporn 70's sink fixer, Sun 16 Mar 2014, 13:45, , Reply)