IDS .....The architect of misery lived illegally with his wife in the eighties
When he was caught up in the Tory economic crisis. Irony much?
(, Thu 8 May 2014, 21:02, Reply)
You'd hope he'd draw comparisons from his own life experience and 'compare and contrast' with the draconian measures he is implementing ATM
.....sadly, as a Tory that isn't allowed. Just crush the plebs under the statutory Jackboot.
(, Thu 8 May 2014, 21:16, Reply)
But this isn't about benefits at all, his missus would have been in breach of the terms set out in her tenancy agreement which is not a crime and not therefore illegal, but a tort actionable only through the civil courts.
Why should the state subsidise spare rooms when we have a serious problem in adequate supply of appropriate social housing? How is a reduction in a handout a tax? A tax is paid from money earnt, not from a giveaway. It's a cut on an unjustifiable indulgence.
(, Thu 8 May 2014, 21:27, Reply)
To pick you up on your final sentence
I don't agree that it's unjustifiable, nor do I agree that it's an indulgence.
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wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Thu 8 May 2014, 21:42,
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Fair enough, but if it's a spare room that gets little or no use as a bedroom for someone to sleep in at least 5 nights a week I think it's an unjustified indulgence when families of four, for example, and this is not uncommon, have to live in a two bed flat.
(, Thu 8 May 2014, 22:23, Reply)
What about the rich who rattle around in a massive mansion?
Just trying to shore up a failed social building program. Typical 'can kicking' by the Tories
(, Thu 8 May 2014, 22:45, Reply)
They probably own the mansion and aren't asking the tax payer to house them
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Jahled Three shades of black, Thu 8 May 2014, 22:52,
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Except that they are, because they're tax-dodging cunts.
Can't be arsed to go look it up right now, but Private Eye did a FOI request to HMRC last year or maybe the year before. It seems that fewer than 20% of the landed gentry pay ANY UK tax on their mansions. Add to that the Russian gangsters, registered Non-Doms, Tax Exile Celebs, Bankers, Judges etc Not forgetting our totally non-corrupt MPs of course, and something like 90% or so of all the mansions in the UK are either tax exempt, or their owners' lawyers can get sweetener deals with the HMRC making them effectively tax-exempt, and in some cases have even received tax-payers' money for them thus paying Negative Tax.
So yeah, they're not asking the tax payer to pay to house them, they're fucking DEMANDING that we do so, and the cunts are getting away with it.
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stuj (^(^;;^)^) GO TEAM SPIDERS!(^(^;;^)^), Thu 8 May 2014, 23:35,
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Yeah, and I said FUCK OFF IDS.
Go and get filmed proving that you can live on £53 a week again. And get caught on film cheating because you can't. Again.
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stuj (^(^;;^)^) GO TEAM SPIDERS!(^(^;;^)^), Fri 9 May 2014, 4:51,
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Fuck off
You lost the argument the second you used the word 'indulgence' to describe a box room in a fucking council house. Apart from that there are no small council properties for people to move to so they have to move to the private sector so move from a 2 bedroom shoebox at a reasonable rent to a private 1 bedroom flat at twice the cost of the shoebox. Oh and go fuck yourself farage.
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slartifartfast When all around are losing their heads, duck., Fri 9 May 2014, 7:08,
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Yeah, that's the real problem
Isn't it?
All those disabled and/or carers and/or recently bereaved people, maybe all three, getting money for their spare rooms, crashing the global economy and being given one TRILLION pounds to sort themselves out.
All their fault, apparently.
(, Thu 8 May 2014, 22:46, Reply)
well, you're changing the.subject, and yes, the availability of appropriate social housing is a real problem. But well done, emotive bleating and obviously false constructs wins the day.
(, Thu 8 May 2014, 23:01, Reply)
someone, quickly!
change the subject back to the original point of... umm, the bedroom tax?
(, Thu 8 May 2014, 23:55, Reply)
Let me condense it for you
Tory in illegal situation in last recession perpetuates situation years later when he is in a position to change things.
(, Thu 8 May 2014, 22:47, Reply)
No laws were broken, breach of contract does not constitute illegality. Twisting the truth to win an argument is profoundly detrimental to your credibility, my pinko friend.
(, Thu 8 May 2014, 23:05, Reply)
I'm not clicking through
since it's a mail link, but I'll take the Torygraph's quote in good faith...
It looks like Smith himself used the word illegal.
underneath it all, whether he broke the law, or just wrongly believes that he did, he is still a nasty cunt.
(, Fri 9 May 2014, 0:06, Reply)
Not that I particularly want to stick up for the odious scumbag
but I can't see which law he's broken. His girlfriend of the time was probably in breach of her rental agreement by knowingly allowing him to live there, but that's a civil matter.
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wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Thu 8 May 2014, 21:18,
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