Infant mortality rates are statistically the same in the UK and the US
And how easy to claim "you don't care" "you're selfish" when the US has a great healthcare system already. People were happy with the system. Under law, no person could be turned away from emergency services and the indigent get treated in the same hospitals as oil sheikhs.
But it's always easier to be generous with other people's money.
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gunmetal drove slowly in the passing lane on, Tue 9 Dec 2014, 19:22,
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1. Only some people were happy with the system
2. Healthcare does not start at emergency care
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A Rory Borealis here under duress, Tue 9 Dec 2014, 19:57,
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"the indigent get treated in the same hospitals as oil sheikhs" "it's always easier to be generous with other people's money"
With each rebuttal you lay on, the more ugly your sense of morality comes across.
For you, healthcare is about worth. It has to be earned. Fortunately we've transcended that pettiness on this side of the Atlantic.
I find your attitude, for a first world citizen, genuinely shocking.
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You only make an emotional point about what a monster you think I am and insist that your morality is superior to my morality.
That is dangerous.
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gunmetal drove slowly in the passing lane on, Tue 9 Dec 2014, 20:10,
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Insist that my morality is superior?
Christ. It's not even a battle.
My "morality" doesn't mind contributing fairly to a pot that makes healthcare available for anyone should they need it. Your morality says people should pay for themselves and the people who inevitably can't afford to pay because of the top to bottom narrowness of that kind of system should suffer the consequences. That's not even getting to the hypocrisy of the gun problem your country's hideous "Constitution" has created.
It's not about superior/inferior - one is compassionate and morally correct the other is incredibly selfish and not in line with how a first world country should function. I can't convince you to change your idea of morality, but I can expose it for the heartless wasteland it purports.
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It's not a battle - if that's all you view this as, then you will continue to insult and cajole without ever reading my responses.
Your morality seems like the people who see a poor person and think "I don't want to touch the smelly rat, but I feel slightly guilty, so everyone should be forced by the police power to pitch in to assuage my guilt" Sometimes what a person needs isn't a handout, it's an arm around.
As to the Constitution, it is the law of the land, created to protect from government tyranny, not create a welfare state. The US has spent $20 Trillion fighting the war on poverty and there are more poor than ever. How is it working where you are? Are there poor? Is there crime? Are there no complaints about your health system?
You seem so intolerant of other people's views I'm surprised you can abide the vast religious, social and racial palate found today in most countries. Believe it or not, there are people who think differently from you; who help the poor through many charitable and religious entities because government tends to muck it up very badly.
Step outside your little world. It's a wonderful place.
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gunmetal drove slowly in the passing lane on, Tue 9 Dec 2014, 21:08,
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You are absolutely insane and I fear for your country's prolonged demise.
But I have enjoyed these sparring matches.
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