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This is a link post American Senator doing an excellent job asking about the US' involvement in the whole Syria clusterfuck
a month old but doing the rounds at the moment
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 4 Dec 2015, 12:40, , Reply)
This is a normal post Part of the west's problem
is the rather glib and arrogant assumption that everybody in the world, or at least an overwhelming majority, desperately wants a liberal western style democracy with sexual equality and gay rights etc. I'm far from convinced that this is the case.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Fri 4 Dec 2015, 13:01, , Reply)
This is a normal post It isn't that arrogant when millions of them turn up at the border.

(eViLegion Chief Commissioner of the Scottish Lunacy Board, Fri 4 Dec 2015, 13:36, , Reply)
This is a normal post Fleeing violence, poverty and oppressive regimes
does not make you automatically a western style democracy fanboy. Many want a share of what we've got, but that doesn't mean they share our values.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Fri 4 Dec 2015, 13:49, , Reply)
This is a normal post Sure... I don't expect them to share our values.
But they should expect to be told to fuck directly to off if they want to enjoy the benefits of our values without adopting them.
 (eViLegion Chief Commissioner of the Scottish Lunacy Board, Fri 4 Dec 2015, 13:54, , Reply)
This is a normal post If fucking only.
What actually happens is that we're told how fucking wonderful their so called values are and how we must respect and revere them. Then excuses are made for all the acts of violence committed in the name of their values, and a blind eye is turned to the misogyny and homophobia that is central to their values.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Fri 4 Dec 2015, 14:00, , Reply)
This is a normal post Dirty foriegners!

(I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Fri 4 Dec 2015, 21:56, , Reply)
This is a normal post I normally detest Graham when he speaks about most other issues, but he make a fair point there, they are doing Assads work for him
Still, the US supported Hussain for his early years, and whole bunch of nasty dictators around the world when it suits their interests, so this is nothing new. they still back Karimov in Uzbekistan because he allows US bases, and he's as dictatory as they come
 (I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Fri 4 Dec 2015, 13:23, , Reply)
This is a normal post his questions are good.
his point is not.
 (augsav forgot about B3ta, Mon 7 Dec 2015, 3:15, , Reply)