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This is a normal post It's not that nobody would trade with us
It's the complexity and potential fallout from trying to renegotiate a trade deal outside of the single market. You all seem to be totally ignorant of that, or at least seem to dilute those ramifications.

And this whole 'sovereignty' and 'democracy' argument. Surely you aren't naive enough to believe real democracy exists or has ever existed? And that this desire for it is pure political sugar coating. There's a very good reason as to why true democracy doesn't exist - because most people out there are complete fuckwits who haven't got a clue about the complexities involved in taking executive decisions. That's why we have an electorate and, gulp, a political class.

If you really asked the public what they wanted, chances are we'd see the death penalty reinstated in some way, ignoring the clear evidence that it would serve to increase crime rather than provide an ultimate deterrent. Because it 'feels' right. It's only the elite, political class that realise most of us fuckwits can't be trusted to decide these things for ourselves. For better or worse, politicians are the head to our, often blind, hearts.

Your leading Brexit lot are well aware of this. They don't want real democracy. They aren't really interested in sovereignty. They simply want the 'democratic' power to shrink the state in fitting with their own ideological views. That's all it's about.

You're a complete mug if you don't see it any other way.
(, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 15:59, , Reply)
This is a normal post The scales have fallen from my eyes!
Thanks JOTS.
(, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 16:01, , Reply)
This is a normal post You're welcome
Please don't post any more Toby Young
(, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 16:08, , Reply)
This is a normal post I realise he's not to everyone's taste, hence the description.
I like him. Which is lucky for him, as I know exactly where he lives.
(, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 16:11, , Reply)
This is a normal post The only person who likes Toby Young is Toby Young.
Does he live in your mirror?
(, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:23, , Reply)