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This is a link post Zeitgeist - The Movie - 2 of 13 (Part 1 of 3 on Religion)
This film is important. Try and watch it all.
The last section is about 9/11.
You will be scared.
(I helped save b3ta! (|D[ekionplexis B3ta.com: fictional child porn is OK, Sat 12 Jan 2008, 23:34, Reply)
This is a normal post most of this film
is utter ill-informed bollocks, but some is interesting.
 (I helped save b3ta! Peej, Sat 12 Jan 2008, 23:40, Reply)
This is a normal post I concur.
I have no interest in religion however.

By concur, I mean there are certain religious 'facts' stated in the film which are very difficult to prove.

The last two 'sections' are the most important.

Please enlighten me as to which parts are 'ill-informed'.
 (I helped save b3ta! (|D[ekionplexis B3ta.com: fictional child porn is OK, Sat 12 Jan 2008, 23:42, Reply)
This is a normal post 'sun's god'
or 'sun of the god' being etymologically related to 'son of god'... that's uh... that's an English thing, doesn't work in other languages, sorry to break it to you, but other languages are different.

I take all such videos with a pinch of salt, I take everything with a pinch of salt, my blood pressure is through the roof.

But if people discard religion and then go and base their beliefs on a youtube video, uh... watch out for them. Remember, be wary of everything, even, nay, especially your nan.
 (Frozen_Banana Shaved against the grain; thoroughly unrewarding., Sun 13 Jan 2008, 0:14, Reply)
This is a normal post Watch the whole thing, after the 'religion' section it gets far more interesting.

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This is a normal post Hah, conspiracy theories may be strong
but laziness is stronger!

I've seen big chunks of it before, very interesting, but I have an innate distrust of preachy people.
 (Frozen_Banana Shaved against the grain; thoroughly unrewarding., Sun 13 Jan 2008, 0:19, Reply)
This is a normal post No problemo.

(I helped save b3ta! (|D[ekionplexis B3ta.com: fictional child porn is OK, Sun 13 Jan 2008, 0:20, Reply)
This is a normal post night, comrade!

(Frozen_Banana Shaved against the grain; thoroughly unrewarding., Sun 13 Jan 2008, 0:21, Reply)
This is a normal post I agree with a lot of it
and disagree with a lot more.

I don't believe it's all the same religion, or whatever, I do, however, believe that almost all religions stem from some ancient society that was astrological. Abraham (Avram/Abram) and Brahma, for example, as well as Sara and Sarasvati. I believe that maybe Abraham was a Brahman priest, or that they come from the same ancient root.

That's why all the near-East mythology is the same, out of Africa, had a religion or theory, then it evolved over time as they started to develop more and more distinct cultures... I mean, it's possible.

Also possible that these people were people, and then it just changed. Imagine if there were a nuclear holocaust, the majority died, and pockets of civilisation survived.

/links nana, the guy who ended up leader and rekindled cultivation of crops, etc. becomes inx-nan the great king of an ancient civilisation; who took them from the darkened times into a new civilisation.


After all, at the time that the Bible hints these great events as happening the Hebrews may well have been the same people as the Persians, or... whoever, the bible even suggests it. Increase the calender by scale factor ten or some such, 5000 to 50000 and you end up with Noah's flood happening around 30 or so thousand years ago, give or take 10 thousand years, and maybe it was such thing as a river bursting its banks pretty harshly and destroying a settlement. Settlement becomes city, becomes state, becomes country, becomes World.

As time went on one civilisation with its history became many nations with similar stories, which they also shared with each other, and ended up with the cultural entities that we have now.
 (Frozen_Banana Shaved against the grain; thoroughly unrewarding., Sun 13 Jan 2008, 0:04, Reply)
This is a normal post Pretty frigg'n sneaky !
How !
 (I helped save b3ta! Valin I changed glasses while I wasn't looking, Sun 13 Jan 2008, 0:04, Reply)
This is a normal post great film
9/11 stuff is utter shite but the rest is ok!
 (I helped save b3ta! war3n3xt < I'm with stupid, Sun 13 Jan 2008, 0:37, Reply)
This is a normal post it is interesting
On the surfice it 'appears' logical and is put together nicely. However it relies heavily on language and interpretation. Which means you can put no stock in it.
 (beard looking less like a homeless everyday, Sun 13 Jan 2008, 8:45, Reply)
This is a normal post This film is dodgy.
It takes part of the truth, especially in the last 45 minutes or so, and presents it in a way that can seem inaccurate, and stinks of conspiracy theory.

It's a real shame because I agree with, and believe in, a lot of what the film is saying.

If you're interested in this, read some books by more credible authors, who reference where they get their information from.

'Hidden Agendas' and 'The New World Order' by the excellent John Pilger, are a good place to start.

Oh, and the stuff on religion, who knows? What's the point of discussing a subject that one can know nothing about.

For a very funny and succinct lesson on this read Skepticism Inc. by Bo Fowler. Go on, do it, it's so funny you'll laugh out loud all the way through.....and then never argue about religion ever again.
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This is a normal post Very interesting but,
I suspect, highly inaccurate.
 (I helped save b3ta! its_hatorah_bitch is b3ta the devil you know on, Sun 13 Jan 2008, 10:03, Reply)