"No. I have not seen a mountain of evidence that supports that opinion."
I have, and only because you brought my attention to it, albeit indirectly.
I watched the walkthrough video that dogbomb linked earlier:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSICdkvjkmI
It presents the surrounding context for that misleading picture you have thrice spammed. Hiroshi, the would-be child rapist, is not presented as a sympathetic character. He fails to groom the girl because he is so stupid and disgusting. He then commits suicide and is revealed to be a vampire or some kind of ghoul.
This game *literally dehumanises the paedophile character* and presents him as a unlikeable failure from the start.
If you remember from last week, I used my browser to search the internet for reviews of the game that include the word paedophile. The only stuff I found suggesting it's a paedophile-friendly game were posts by you on b3ta. Literally nobody else has come to the same conclusion, at least according to DuckDuckGo.
The fact that the game is hosted on Steam, combined with your claim that you have reported the game and they have done nothing in response, strongly suggests that the game complies with their ethical and legal standards. There was nothing in the walkthrough that I watched which suggested the game breaks those rules.
The fact that the reviews of the game are freely available on youtube, despite your claims that you have reported at least dogbomb's video, strongly suggests that those videos do not contain indecent images or material condoning, normalising, or glorifying paedophilia.
""Do you actually accept that it is possible to address the issue of paedophilia in a way that does not normalise or glorify paedophilia?"
Yes. I like "Brass Eye"."
That is good news.
What specific aspect of this game do you think normalises or glorifies paedophilia? Because, as I stated above, I do not see it, nor do any other interested parties.
""Under what circumstances can you imagine yourself admitting that you are wrong?"
It happens often. It's great. That's how we learn."
That is good news. Really good news.
""What standard of proof would you require?"
In this specific case, I'd really need legal evidence. I am quite certain that the game is illegal. Per the Obscene Publications Act 1959 et al. "
This is rather bad news.
Imagine turning this around to ask dogbomb if legal evidence is his standard of proof of harassment and defamation. You have provided so much of it.
Is the fact that the game complies with Steam's legal standards not good enough legal evidence?
Let's dive into the Obscene Publications Act 1959... Christ...
Wikipedia says "an article is taken to be obscene if the entire article "is, if taken as a whole, such as to tend to deprave and corrupt persons who are likely, having regard to all relevant circumstances, to read, see or hear the matter contained or embodied in it."
Wiki continues: "(It's) not sufficient for an individual to be depraved or corrupted, it must be that a significant number of people likely to read it would become corrupt."
Good fucking luck proving that. I do not believe it is reasonable to assume anyone viewing or playing the game in question will suffer deprivation or corruption of their character, especially given that there is no pictorial depiction of underage sex.
By the way, if the game turns out to be illegal, according to the act, YOU are a publisher of this offending content.
A publisher is anyone who ""distributes, circulates, sells, lets on hire, gives, or lends it, or who offers it for sale or for letting on hire", or "in the case of an article containing or embodying matter to be looked at or a record, shows, plays or projects it".[12] The Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 amended this section to include the transmission of the article electronically."
""How would you feel if someone repeatedly and systematically slandered you with 'paedo stuff'?"
If I made a video about a game, and someone told me it contained 'paedo stuff', I would immediately remove it.
I remind you that the channel is called "You Big Nonce"."
What if you made a video about Family Guy, or Brass Eye, Comic Strip Presents, etc, etc, etc, and someone told you it contained 'paedo stuff'?
Would you still remove it even though you know better than the person making the false and unsubstantiated claim?
Finally, the name SockCooker rather disqualifies you from criticising another person with a sexualised insult for a name, don't you think?
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Saying things in bold doesn't make them true.
"The fact that the game is hosted on Steam" means jack shit.
"What specific aspect of this game do you think normalises or glorifies paedophilia" -
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Do you dispute what I've actually seen happen in the game?
See for yourself:
youtu.be/cSICdkvjkmI?t=1575 - Hiroshi's suicide note, suicide, then end credits. Post credits, Hiroshi's corpse reanimates with glowing red eyes.
This is not just figuratively dehumanising, it is literally dehumanising him. It's a joke in sledgehammer form. It would take dedicated and dishonest effort to interpret this as normalising or glorifying paedophilia.
Every interaction Hiroshi has with children in the game results in the children insulting him for being creepy, disgusting and incompetent. He is not presented as a sympathetic character. The object of the game is not to please or placate him in any way.
The fact that the game is hosted on Steam, despite you reporting it for breaking the rules, strongly implies that it conforms to their rules and regulations. I have seen no evidence of it containing anything obscene, nor anything that promotes or normalises paedophilia. Quite the opposite, in fact. Quite the opposite in an overt, heavy handed, unsubtle way.
I think you need to be honest with yourself before you can be honest with me, or anyone else. I also think you owe dogbomb a massive apology.
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"Implies" is a funny word.
I can show you 10 YouTube videos that blatantly break their rules.
They only remove things when people shout loudly enough.
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So do you dispute what I've actually seen in the game?
Did you see for yourself?
youtu.be/cSICdkvjkmI?t=1575
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In what way is the video of the greater context surrounding your misleading screenshot 'a weak or sham argument set up to be easily refuted'?
You don't get to dismiss actual evidence contradicting your argument by randomly/inappropriately saying 'strawman.'
I really think you need to start being honest with yourself. You can walk back from this and people would have more respect for you.
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"In what way"
Because I never claimed that was a screenshot of his video.
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That does not make any sense at all.
How do you personally define straw man, and what are you actually applying it to?
Remember, the specific aspect of the game you think normalises or glorifies paedophilia literally is your screenshot. You said so. That is what we are talking about.
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Because by my definition the way you are using it makes no sense at all.
I say a straw man is 'a weak or sham argument set up to be easily refuted,' which is obviously not how you are using it.
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That's a fun definition, which flies in the face of reality.
A strawman argument is when you argue against something the other person never claimed. Like you did, just now.
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Productive discussion is not possible with you, is it?
I honestly think you need to talk to your GP about getting you some help. This is not a personal attack. I sincerely think you are ill and I'm worried about you.
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I'd hazard that he's on the spectrum
narrow, obsessive interests (space), inflexible thinking, inability to see yourself as others see you. perhaps never diagnosed
still, people on the spectrum are capable of learning, and you've been nothing but respectful in this exchange, so if he is on the spectrum, and again this is just a guess, I still don't think that gives him a free pass to make attacks, even if he seems to lack the facilities to see he's in error, that is obvious to others.
Generally, there is an unwritten b3ta rule that if somebody has gone to the trouble to do something creative themselves, such make a tune or review a game, to be supportive, not get all unjustifiably abusive and stalky. We're not all cyriak, but we all can use a bit of affirmation now and then
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Eh, that's actually a written rule
in the faq.The unwritten rule is you don't delete threads, especially not after people take the trouble to reply to it.
A new unwritten rule is to make screenshots when dealing with him, as any well argumented reply will lead to thread deletion.
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^
I think it is time the mods stepped in and dealt with this. This is tantamount to bullying.
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When he deletes a comment in order to delete the following thread(s) of conversation, then recreates the deleted post
that is corrupt, trolling, and abusing the system IMO.
I would describe it as devious, but we can all see him do it.
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I believe that anyone regularly typing in one of these boxes on the internet has to be on the spectrum.
Not just in an inclusive 'we're all part of the bell curve' kind of way, either. I think we all have some form of ASD.
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no, I think ASD is something quite different to being a bit nerdy or introverted.or argumentative
In the same way that there is a big difference between liking your desk to be neat and having OCD, a fairly debilitating neurological disorder
ASD is a serious developmental disorder where part of the brain doesn't develop as it should. Those I mentioned are classic symptoms of it. People who say "we're all on the spectrum" is like saying "we all have a little bit of AIDS". Again, I'ts just a hunch with sockcooker, but I've created three learning modules for healthcare professionals, so I'm quite familiar with the subject. It's that combination of narrow interest and inflexible thinking, like the mind can't shift gears, and inability to read the room and take clues.
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But you could still say all that if you yourself had undiagnosed ASD. :P
You can't acquire autism through transfer of bodily fluids so the AIDS comparison doesn't fit, imho.
Everyone has some trait or another that could be identified as autistic, and nobody knows how a brain should ideally function. Outcome is the only measure of the benefit or detriment of a given trait, surely.
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comparative metaphors do not have to be comparative in all respects. You can hardly censure sookcooker for retreating to fatuous pedantry and then doing the same yourself
And it's not true that outcomes are the only determinant of ASD. MRI scans show areas of the brain where both structure and function is significantly different in ASD patients. Again, it's a serious developmental disorder, we're not "all on the spectrum". I sat through a couple of ASD conference when writing the modules, and though I wasn't always paying attention, I do remember one of the speakers with ASD saying nothing pisses them off more than neurotypicals claiming to be "a little on the spectrum" because of some trivial bullshit. But by all means, keep claiming it
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