here's the very first reference I googled:
"All memorials placed on Council owned or managed land are deemed to be assets of the Mornington Peninsula Shire Council and managed in accordance with Council’s policies and procedures"
www.mornpen.vic.gov.au/files/assets/public/new-website-documents/about-us/meetings-amp-minutes/2017/attachments-2017/171010ca_att_314_1.pdf
so, it's clear these people complaining have no property rights to whatever they've dumped on the council ledger to make every other citizen part of what should have been private family grieving. It's not managed "on behalf of the people that requested it", they have no ownership of it whatsoever. And they have no more right than any other passer-by to use it, and the text indicates they put the bench there themselves rather than paying the council to do it. And the next lot of people who put their plaque had just as much right to put there asset on Council owned land or property as the first mob, but at least theirs was discreet and not bringing everybody down . I mean, let's all just plaster the landscape every time somebody carks it, reminding total strangers that somebody who they've never heard of died. It's not like we haven't got a specific place already for that in cemeteries. Oh no, that's not enough! everyone needs to know about my uncle bob and how he loved this place and probably preyed on unaccompanied minors while he was there. And it's not just some massively selfish bit of family egotism, it's now a sacred site, and anyone infringing from making it about all me, me, me, by putting their own sentiments near mine is awful and needs libellous news articles to blacken their names!
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Fri 24 Jul 2020, 4:42,
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the same principle applies for all councils. people don't go around owning permanent fixtures on public land merely because they've dumped it there. the idea is absurd
as usual, these threads are generally a litany of the other person being wrong. Wrong about the plaque being replaced or covered. Wrong about it not being council furniture. wrong about property rights and who pays for the ongoing management. Yet do I ever get thanks for taking the time to refute all these baseless claims and scurrilous imputations? Ah well. Adversus solem ne loquitor
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Fri 24 Jul 2020, 5:57,
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Let’s hope someone doesnt screw a plaque near your own name on your gravestone. Apparently that would also be fine
My issue is with the ethics and morals of someone who believes doing it is okay
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The_cold_stare Coming here only when very, very bored, Fri 24 Jul 2020, 18:15,
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You think there might be a body buried under the bench?
The plot thickens.
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brb Monkhouse Stampede, Fri 24 Jul 2020, 19:49,
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let's break down the baseless assumptions the colds stares latest sally (though I'm beginning to suspect he may simply be playing the role of the straight man to give me material)
false assumption one: A park bench is not a grave, as brb made the obvious point. I'd assume if he has family motivated enough to be dumping furniture around the traps, then they've probably ponied up for an actual grave in a cemetery, and in my view should have left it at that.
false assumption two: you know when you go out to some little village in England and see some church that's been there since the domesday book and it has a nice little graveyard next to it? Do you assume current graves reflect all the people who've died in this village? Bzzzzz! Sorry, you lose 10 points. Archaeologists estimate many small church graveyards in england have up to half a million people buried in them (people tended to die often and early in time of yore). So strangers were constantly getting buried in the same plots, and the headstones, crosses and markers constantly replaced with each new stiff. They're not nearly held as sacred and permanent as you think they were. And again, we're talking about a park bench, not a gravestone
False assumption three: I could not give a shit about what happens after I die to my corpse. they could put in on a pedestal in leicester square getting bummed by an animatronic dog with a giant neon sign above saying "Cumquat may was a paedo" and I'd still be incapable of caring, being dead.
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Sat 25 Jul 2020, 1:40,
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False assumption 4
That I assume any of the three false assumptions above
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The_cold_stare Coming here only when very, very bored, Sun 26 Jul 2020, 0:09,
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It might have less to do with the local council and more to do with the John Muir Trust.
I think we are missing a lot of vital information here. Did the Hamiltons have permission from the relevant local authorities to dump a bench on the Sandwood Estate in the first place?
Who, if anyone, is expected to maintain it? If a fat old man sits on it and it breaks, injuring him and requiring an air ambulance, who is liable?
How does Francis Egerton, 7th Duke of Sutherland feel about it? Is he a possible suspect? Where was he on the night that the plaque was installed?
Who is the mysterious person, or entity, known as AMJ? Could it be the American Muslims for Jerusalem? Is Mossad involved?
Wake up heeples.
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brb Monkhouse Stampede, Fri 24 Jul 2020, 19:33,
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