I guarantee that you don’t have a more refined understanding of biology
There are two sexes. There are variations within those sexes.
Those variations can manifest physically as differing specialisations. Sport measures and rewards those specialisations.
If we didn’t segregate by sex, well done, female sport doesn’t exist and no female person achieves sporting excellence. I don’t think you understand quite how much advantage male people have over female people in sport.
Appropriating a complex case like Caster to justify inclusion on the basis of asserted identity is absolutely not logically justifiable. Peoplewith intersex conditions are a different group from people who have a gender identity they day categorises them as the opposite sex.]
You can see quite how different the groups are by the way that Laurel Hubbard has been accommodated while Caster has been put through hell.
(, Tue 29 Jun 2021, 10:00, Reply)
"Appropriating a complex case like Caster to justify inclusion on the basis of asserted identity is absolutely not logically justifiable."
It's a good thing I didn't do that then, isn't it?
(, Tue 29 Jun 2021, 11:02, Reply)
Dunno, mate.
It was you who introduced her to the debate.
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“If you extend the debate about trans eligibility to include intersex athletes”
Please explain how that isn’t using an intersex athlete in order to make a point about inclusion of intersex athletes in lieu of an argument for inclusion of unambiguously male people on the grounds on identity?
(, Tue 29 Jun 2021, 11:48, Reply)
Sure. I'm including the example of intersex athletes to demonstrate how the existing categories of male and female (as currently defined in sport) don't appear to work very well for people that don't fit neatly into those existing definitions. Many trans athletes encounter the same problem.
I am not trying to "justify inclusion on the basis of asserted identity". I'm biologically male. If I self declare as a woman, but have no hormone treatment or other procedures, some women athletes might object to me competing in the existing category of "women". If you discard the existing sporting categorisation of male and female, and classify me according to some other combination of objective measurement (weight, hormone levels, body composition, V02 max, etc, etc) then my identity becomes irrelevant. I only qualify to compete in a class of athletes with similar characteristics.
(, Tue 29 Jun 2021, 15:43, Reply)
Laurel Hubbard *does* fit neatly into existing definitions of male and female;
Laurel Hubbard is an adult human male.
I’m not sure why ŷour post mentions your “identity” becoming irrelevant.
Sex still remains the most relevant factor, even if you pretend that sex isn’t a thing that exists or matters.
(, Wed 30 Jun 2021, 14:11, Reply)