Helena Christiansen is attractive?
Well you bollocksed that one right up
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Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Sun 8 Aug 2021, 9:18,
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it's good that you're wanking off to widdecombe, attraction being "completely" subjective and all
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Sun 8 Aug 2021, 9:31,
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says the bloke who's basically foregone any attempts at argument and is just firing off one insult after another
It wasn't a huge point I was making, it was just an observation, that rather than have this experience of being treated like woman when they dress as one, instead they get constant gawping when they go out in public, children pointing, people nudging each other and whispering on trains. I've seen it a lot, . So they're not actually getting treated like women, because most women, apart from freakishly ugly ones, don't get this. And whether, along with all the affirmation and support they get, whether this consequence is adequately explained to them. It's a valid observation, and an accurate one in many cases. I put things crudely, as is my way, and it seems to have upset you which wasn't my intention. But I don't think any of this "every butterfly is beautiful and special and all beauty is subjective" reflects the reality of this experience, it's wishful thinking and virtue signalling
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Sun 8 Aug 2021, 11:01,
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What *is* 'being treated like a woman?
Having a coat thrown down by a gentleman so you don't muddy your shoes in a puddle? A doth of the hat? A chair pulled out for you at dinner?
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is your plan to wear me down with stupidity?
take a class if you haven't learnt how gender mediates social interaction by now. Or is that another thing you don't believe in along with attractiveness?
"Sex category (ie.. how gender, cultural category of male or female) appears
as a multi-level system of difference and to be one of a very few social identities that are so culturally important that they must be evoked to render any concrete other sufficiently meaningful to be interacted with.
In fact, the evidence shows that we automatically sex categorize any specific person that we must interact with" (Ridgeway 1996, Gender and Social Interaction)
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Sun 8 Aug 2021, 11:42,
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I'm talking about her younger days, of course
there was a reason they put her on magazine covers to flog stuff
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Sun 8 Aug 2021, 9:26,
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It's almost as if you're saying that transgender women are wasting their time if they can't meet the standards set by fashion magazines.
And should just continue to live as men, instead.
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it's almost as if you're saying that
if I want to make an argument, I'll say it without you strawmanning
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Sun 8 Aug 2021, 9:32,
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you mean, when someone take the arguments of another and exaggerates and embellishes it to well beyond what that argument was, ie, creating a strawman to then argue against
such as claiming that by mentioning magazines Im making an argument that transgendered people should meet magazine standard beauty, instead of the context I was using it in which was about evidence of conformity of opinion around helena christianses attractiveness. i.e, replacing the proposition I made with one he made. I'm afraid that's classic strawmanning he's engaged in, and it's you that need to be educated about the terms and their correct usage
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Sun 8 Aug 2021, 11:50,
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