all this moralising
He was a divorced prince and one of his rich friends at a party says there's a cute 17 year american old who wants to fuck you. Of course you'll say yes, just like every touring rock band ever. you should be proud that as a member of the monarchy he's giving two fingers to the laws of this rebellious colony, and possibly to her as well as he's getting on a bit. and personally I reckon sex slavery is too strong a term for somebody manipulated by promises of money and career support into fucking people, when you compare it to east european prostitutes forcibly hooked on heroin and kept working with threats of extreme violence. It's sleazy, but it's pretty small potatoes compared to what princes were getting up to in the Hellfire Club as late as the 1920s
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Tue 15 Feb 2022, 21:28,
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I had the thick-crust margherita
he had the thick upper-crust
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Tue 15 Feb 2022, 22:24,
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She was old compared to the indiscretions of 60s 70s DJs.
People just care more now.
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FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Tue 15 Feb 2022, 22:43,
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I'm a bit less quick to judgment with 17
once, I was backpacking in Norway, I was about 21, and there was young woman in a cafe drinking coffee who I got to talking with, and went back to her place (later I found it was the house of some university lecturer, a long story) where we ended up screwing. Given that it was in the middle of a week day, and she spent the rest of the week with me, it never occurred to me that she was anything other than an adult and our ages never came up in conversation, which were limited because of language. so when I eventually found out she was 17 it came as a fair a surprise to me. I did break up with her shortly afterwards, which I was thinking about doing anyway but this hurried it up. The age gap is fair bit different with PA, which is quite sleazy, but he might have assumed she was an adult and I haven't seen any pattern of him seeking out underage girls, in fact fergie shows he's not that fussy where he gets his end wet
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Tue 15 Feb 2022, 23:04,
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It's more about the tacit acceptance of girls 'provided' to him.
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FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Tue 15 Feb 2022, 23:50,
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as happosai said, I wouldnt make a great witness for the defence
but sure it's sleazy, and he should have done more due diligence instead of thinking with his dick, thick privileged twat that he is. but that was Epstein's game, and the fact that he was friends with ex and current presidents in clinton and trump might have made PA think it was all cool and consensual
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 16 Feb 2022, 0:28,
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He's certainly no Ian Watkins.
Nobody comes out of this looking good, in my opinion.
Being a middle-aged bloke and finding a 17 year old girl sexually attractive isn't against the law. Christ, it might not even be against the law to fuck them - assuming they're capable of consent. However, if you're a middle-aged bloke and you do decide to partake in some shaggery with said 17 old, you're a sleazy old pervert, regardless of how legally permissible the act might have been. We all know that Andy allegedly shagged Virginia. So, whether or not she was coerced is completely irrelevant. He's allegedly a dirty old pervert for allegedly shagging a 17 year old. Allegedly.
Virginia Giuffre, on the other hand, has just proven herself to be the alleged whore that some people were allegedly labeling her as from the beginning. Allegedly.
Granted, nobody is making all the right choices at 17. You could 100% make the case that Jeff and Jizz manipulated a vulnerable young girl into shagging older men for money. And you'd be absolutely right. Those two were 100% wronguns. In that respect, she was a victim. But as you quite rightly point out, there are tens, if not hundreds of thousands of girls (many far younger than 17) having a far worse time of things, in far less comfort and for far less money than Virginia was. That's not to say she was in a good situation, but it could have been a far worse one.
Anyway, that's not why she's a whore (allegedly). She's a whore, allegedly, because she took a settlement after publicly stating that he had no interest in financial gain from the case and her lawyer stating that “I think it’s very important to Virginia Giuffre that this matter be resolved in a way that vindicates her and vindicates the other victims.”
So, vindication for the other tens of thousands of current sex trafficking victims around the world is, in fact, accepting a massive payout from Andy to keep your mouth shut and move on with your life. I bet that makes all those other victims feel super vindicated.
Well, at least she can claim to be the highest paid prostitute on record. After Melania Trump. Allegedly.
Really, though, at the end of the day, this is no more of a story than that fucking vapid Instagram argument thing between two footballers wives a few links back. This kind of shit is going on every single day, with very real, very vulnerable young people. The fact that so few of us really stop to consider that until it involves some celebrity sleaze is somewhat depressing.
Everyone who hasn't, should look out a documentary called 'Who Took Johnny'. Gives a much starker look into the world of child exploitation than this fucking car crash of a case was ever going to.
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98% of civil cases end in settlement.
Her job was to maximise the settlement on offer by convincing him that she would take him to court. This is why you hire lawyers. Do you understand?
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or her future was quietly and emphatically threatened,
obliging her to take the cash and fuck off
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