Of course there's doubt. It's a war, information isn't clear.
Let's hope for the best, eh?
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brb Monkhouse Stampede, Tue 15 Nov 2022, 22:12,
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Sorry, probably should have been a little clearer.
I was mostly criticising the original BBC headline which appeared to categorically state that the missiles were Russian based on nothing but hearsay. They've really been slipping in recent years in regards publishing the kind of knee-jerk unsubstantiated reporting that you'd usually expect to find in The Sun/Daily Heil.
Either way, if they are indeed Russian, then I hope I can get my carpets fitted before the war kicks off. It'd be a real shame to have spent such a ridiculous amount of money renovating my new place just to be shipped off to Central Europe to die in a Soviet hellscape without having a chance to enjoy the fruits of my wallet.
If they turn out to be Ukrainian however, then I suspect we won't hear anything else about it ever again.
(, Tue 15 Nov 2022, 22:31, Reply)
the original BBC report said nothing of the sort
It reported the facts and poland's uncorroborated claim, it nowhere said "these are categorically russian missiles"
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Tue 15 Nov 2022, 23:02,
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they are russian missiles, that was already established by debris photos
it just wasn't established which side fired them. and that wasn't a headline as such, it was just one of many little ticks on the bbc 24 news feed, whose text mentioned the dispute. The feed itself reported the dispute quite accurately throughout the day and the various claims and sources from all the parties. There's no conspiracy here
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 16 Nov 2022, 8:23,
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Oh, please.
If the BBC reports 'Russian Missiles Strike Poland'. Don't tell me that the assumptions being made by the vast majority of the readership are not 'fired by Russia' as opposed to 'produced by Russia'. The headline scraped by brb's link is deliberately inflammatory.
(, Wed 16 Nov 2022, 8:43, Reply)
Oh come on. Just accept this one as a loss and move on. Nobody ever leads a headline like that with who made it, only who owned it. If they meant Russian-made missiles, they'd have written that.
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Wed 16 Nov 2022, 10:29,
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i admit it's ambiguous, I'm just putting it in context.
i did a search for this and only got a single hit from a BBC news blog feed sandwiched within 11 pages of about 70 updates like this in the last 12 hours, with the other hit being swagatha himself. and the blog feed reporting early updates identifying the debris as russian missiles but stating both ukraine and russia use them, at. It was a good and accurate news blog.There was nothing at all during the course of the day that suggested the BBC were taking a view or got it wrong, they were reporting on what the different factions were claiming.
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 16 Nov 2022, 12:57,
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What carpet have you gone for?
something to match your bed?
Maybe lino would be a better choice
(, Wed 16 Nov 2022, 8:41, Reply)