"it would mean that the nebulous concept of the 'soul' really does exist. That would render scientific understanding as we know it completely obsolete and wrong"
But that is what science is all about! The best outcome of an experiment is one that disproves conventional wisdom.
I should point out that I am most definitely not a person of faith.
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The Coast Of Yemen, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 11:34,
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the best outcome of an experiment is a sex-bot capable of doing your bidding indistinguishable from human. everyone knows this
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 11:42,
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Richard Feynman said this about scientific research
If science finds something out to be true, whether you like it or not, it's true.
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Brandy_Bumwinkle, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 11:48,
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yep but how do you define 'truth'
isn't 'scientific probability' just another word for 'faith'
the fact that the outcome of a so called 'objective' experiment provided the recorded result based on a certain factor is in itself still based on probability
i'm also of a mind to believe there is no such thing as pure 'objectivity'
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But if it is not proven, then it is not true.
Just because results from one experiment suggest a truth, doesn't make them necessarily true!
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Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 12:16,
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then it's not true but 'might be probable '
it's the black and white aspect I have a problem with - a result of the rise of the scientific dictatorship from the 16th century onwards (which had its roots ion occultism and kabbalistic traditions itself - John Dee, Eramus Darwin etc)
isn't it true that at the quantum level the way an experiement is observed affects the outcome?
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yes
but that's because to observe something you have to have some kind of energy/matter bouncing off of it, which results in the tiny thing you're looking at changing direction/momentum. The uncertainly principle states you can either know the exact position or the exact momentum, but not both.
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Brandy_Bumwinkle, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 12:26,
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I don't want to enter into a philosophical debate about true/false here
Some things are more worthy of investigation that others. It doesn't need to be a binary choice, there are levels of importance and worth in between. This experiment is extremely unlikely (to the point of being a foregone conclusion) to produce anything other than a resounding negative result.
So, the question is... what's the point in doing it at all?
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chart cat has an itch, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 12:21,
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The pyramids are pretty cool
what was the point in building those?
Why should I even bother going outside tomorrow? I'll probably just wind up at work anyway.
We should all be stationary foodtubes. What's the point in being anything else?
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gronkpan @vomitinglarry.bsky.social, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 12:33,
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becasue it would be boring
but dont think that this particluer exsperiment is trying to solve the problem of bordom so i dont see how your point is valid
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Bit of a straw man that
don't you think?
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chart cat has an itch, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 12:45,
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i suppose
but his asking the question why should he go outside, becuase its similair to the question why do the exsperiment. but i can quite easly answer the going outside question, where as the point of doing the exsperment is under debate.
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Bit of a reductio ad absurdum n'est pas?
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Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 13:04,
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i dont think so
i just that his question about why to go outside wasnt compoarble to why do the exsperment.
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Hey Goat
I'm more of an amateur physicist than anything else so truth in these terms is physical constants, light waves, sound waves etc, all measurable down to as good as your equipment is. I don't see probability as faith, quantum mechanics is all based on probability, which is measurable and extremely accurate, but is only as good as the ruler being used. What happens beyond the measure of the ruler though, is anyones guess :)
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Brandy_Bumwinkle, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 12:23,
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