Halal meat cancels out any atheist cred you might have got, as it's blessed by a muslim iman.
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Mu Dinofiddler, Thu 25 Dec 2008, 20:43,
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ha!
where is your non-God now?
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the RAND corporation a.k.a. Kevin Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, Thu 25 Dec 2008, 21:51,
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How can it being blessed affect a piece of meat?
If you don`t believe, then surely it is still just a piece of meat?
Amendment:
halal or kosher meat isn`t just meat, it has been killed in a way handed down by people who lived in hot places before refrigerators and haven`t caught up, so the poor animal certainly does not appear to be "blessed" in its last few minutes of life.
(, Thu 25 Dec 2008, 22:38, Reply)
Done correctly
Kosher, and Halal, can be incredibly humane. Most of the videos of the mistreatment of animals in kosher slaughter-houses are generally made by observant religious types who disagree with how those places are run.
Also, there are other elements of kosher that are often overlooked, those being:
1. The Promotion of Vegetarianism, as seen in Genesis, and promoted in the laws of Deuteronomy;
2. The welfare of the animal leading up to death. Kosher goes beyond just the meat, but also on to principles of feeding one's livestock before oneself (otherwise you forget that they, too, are hungry), guaranteeing good living conditions for the animal, etc.
Sure, the method of stun then kill may be more humane, but I'm pretty sure herding them all in cramped conditions then rushing them through slaughterhouses where they see other animals die (also forbidden by many adherents of kashrut) isn't that humane or to be attributed to those that have "caught up with the times".
I'm not an observant religious type at all, but next time you see evidence against kashrut or halal maybe consider how this evidence was gathered and by whom.
Right about the refridgeration bit, though, that stuff is salted to hell (which would also have been very expensive back in the day, thus further discouraging the consumption of deaded animals).
(, Fri 26 Dec 2008, 0:34, Reply)
This place was pretty great.
We got to watch our live fluffy gray rabbit sit calmly on a scale, and less than five minutes later I was handed a plastic bag full of still-body-temperature rabbit meat. There were windows to watch the whole process. It was incredibly humane.
I wonder how the guy at the counter would feel if he knew he called an atheist "sister" however.
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coccyx approves this message, Fri 26 Dec 2008, 0:51,
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Ooh, sounds interesting, pray, do tell more
in a Gaz or whatnot, maybe.
Well, maybe not pray tell more... atheist and all that.
(, Fri 26 Dec 2008, 1:00, Reply)
I saw the videos on a muslim channel!!
They were showing how blessing the animal before slitting it's throat made the blood pour out faster and therefore the meat did not carry any bacteria.
What a crock of shit.
Given the choice I'd rather take a bolt on the head than have my throat slit.
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staz1000, Sun 28 Dec 2008, 12:50,
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