And you don't think that amounts to suppression of free speech?
How scarey.
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If you run into a cinema...
..and shout FIRE! FIRE!
is that free speech?
No, its a crime
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Don't be silly
It's fine if there is a fire and spouting the words of a very silly man doesn't make you intelligent.
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Excellent reply
Well done that man. Instead of coming out with stupid platitudes why don't you explain to me why freedom of speech is not important. Civil liberties, in this country, are under great threat. I find this very worrying - they are easy to lose but much harder to re-gain. Perhaps you could reassure me that I have nothing to worry about.
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I should really expand on that
When people decide that they are right, in the face of all evidence, they are known as 'liars'.
As a very sensible person once said, 'everyone is entitled to their own opinions, not their own facts.
I did not encourage violence towards these idiots, but encouraging violence towards others is their entire life.
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This does not explain
why you believe they do not have a right to express their view. I might add that they are very careful not to go beyond what the law allows in terms of incitement (and are quick to sue if anyone attacks them physically). I find their views very unpleasant but they are entitled to express them. That is my point.
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and.....
you obviously consider the nazi party in 1933 had a right to spout their 'opinions' of hate.
Good luck to you sir, you will need it.
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Now you really are being silly
They went way beyond expressing an opinion. Is it really so difficult to understand the difference between an opinion expressed verbally and an act of violence? You seem intent on confusing the two. Please try to understand that my belief that people have a right to their opinions does not mean that I agree with those opinions.
Edit: I'm knackered so I'm off to bed. It's been fun.
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Hitler
never personallly killed anyone
He just spouted his opinions, that made stupid, evil people do so.
You will never understand free speech until you grow up
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I don't know why I'm bothering.
Telling someone to "grow up" when you have no reasonable answer is an ad hominem attack (look it up). It makes you feel better but it doesn't further the discussion.
I may have to invoke Godwin's law at this point.
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i don't think you understand what freedom of speech actually means,
which is a suprise for someone so vocal about it.
or maybe not such a suprise, when i think about it.
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Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Thu 19 Feb 2009, 20:16,
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No, just stupid.
It worries me that a lot of people don't seem to get the idea of "Free Speech". It's not free speech except for what I don't like or what offends me. If you don't like what someone says argue with them. Don't ban opinions.
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Would you care to explain?
The more I read what you have written, the less sense it makes.
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I would guess that what he means is that
Freedom of speech and freedom to enter the UK are not the same thing.
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I don't know how you deciphered that.
He seems to be trying to be insulting and funny but failing.
If that is what he means, then in this case they are effectively the same thing. I do accept that there may need to be limits and, maybe, incitement to violence is the line. I'm not at all sure that I really agree even with this but hey, ho.
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