Who says I rejected society? I had a job and paid taxes.
Yes I was and still am surprised that I was assaulted by the police because I looked different. The reason I choose to have a mohican is because I liked the way it looked. I wasn't attacking society, I was having fun.
I was attacked because of the way I looked, not for what I did, would we even be having this discussion if I was attacked because I was black?
(, Wed 18 Jul 2012, 2:12, Reply)
Oh come on Cap, you are cleverer than that argument.
Your look was 100% your choice, knowing full well you would be turned down for various jobs, should you apply. No doctor or solicitor is going to want Vivian from he Young Ones on reception or a practitioner.
People on the street are going to do a double take.
If you don't want attention, snuggle down in a cardy and watch Heartbeat. If you want attention, don't complain when you get it.
As for the last point, black people are born black. You chose your look.
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TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Wed 18 Jul 2012, 2:40,
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The main job I had at the time was working for a bibliographic company and quite well paid.
I quite often worked on reception when the main receptionist was out to lunch. I never had a problem getting work when I was a punk.
The point is though regardless of my look being choice or something from birth, the fact is my experience with the police involves being on the wrong end of violence because of the way I looked.
Attention never bothered me, receiving violence from the guardians of the law the people paid to keep all of us safe from crime. No that is not attention and is certainly not something I should have just put up with because I looked a bit different...
(, Wed 18 Jul 2012, 5:40, Reply)
Fair enough
I thought it was an interesting discussion to have. I agree the police should never act in that manner, my hope is the majority don't.
For information (Esp. for WiL down there who seems a bit cross), I actually know quite a bit about being judged on looks. I'm a qualified aerospace engineer, and did a stint as a car wiring designer too.
I'm also female and blonde.
My entire career of over 20 years has been spent with half the people around thinking I am there to make the tea or take the minutes.
So I do know a bit about it.
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TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Wed 18 Jul 2012, 12:30,
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Get to fuck!
Sorry but the argument ,'If you choose to stand out you choose to get hurt' is bullshit and no more correct than, 'If you choose to wear a short skirt you choose to get raped' or ,'If you have red hair you're scum' cos they've chosen not to dye it, other people can CHOOSE not to behave like animals against others who do nothing more than enjoy expressing themselves or look different to the norm in any way, and instead of choosing to try n kill them for it you might like instead to be happy they gave you something interesting to look at in your otherwise dull conformist judgementalist twat of a life wandering about trying to force others to be as dull as you.
And for the record having a Mohawk doesn't mean your a doley scrounger against society neither, it just means you have a hairstyle, personally I did it for years because I AM different, I'm mentally divergent, and instead of people expecting me to be like them all the time it gave them a first clue that I was not, but after so many years when the chav attitude that everyone must be like them or die came about I finally had to give it up because my hairstyle literally became a life or death situation, I was once hospitalised for weeks, FOR MY HAIR, and if you think that's right and only expected then there's something seriously fucking wrong with you IMO!
Oh and FYI, and there are plenty of folks I know with alternative appearances who get work just fine, as garage workers, tattooists, alternate clothing shop workers, cooks, nurses, graphic designers, IT types n alsorts, and it certainly isn't any of their doing when they get into any trouble for their appearance, and it definitely shouldn't be coming from our law enforcers, so I repeat, GET TO FUCK!
*edit* I suppose when some guys come into a gay bar n twat a few regulars it's their own fault for choosing not to hide their gayness away at home, as well, is it?
Get to fucking fuck you small minded tosspot, seriously, do us all a favour n fuck right off.
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..wil, Wed 18 Jul 2012, 9:32,
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You replied to one of my posts like that once and that is why I didn't feel like answering you.
If TSL is a better man than me maybe he will but in case he doesn't.
He was talking about Stop and Search not assault.
And i've heard you make generalisations about "chavs" many times.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 18 Jul 2012, 9:45,
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Chavs I live with, chavs I know, and the chavs i have known actively cause noise, trouble, tension, robbery, and death
Guys with Mohawks do not. Choose your friends.
We've just been up all night 'cos the chav across the street like to party all day every day and sometimes right thru the night, with all windows n doors open so everyone else in the steet has to close theirs on hot nights, and a few beefed n drugged up cunts on the door waiting to deal with 'trouble' from the rest of the street, my partner is goth and works for a living and has now got to go to work tired and pissed off so he can pay his taxes to support their lifestyle, and they don't give a fuck.
You want to be like them? Go on then, be as big a cunt as you like, but don't expect me to like you.
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..wil, Wed 18 Jul 2012, 9:56,
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What is "Choose your friends" supposed to mean?
And if you think punks in the 80's were a bunch of peach loving hippies then you weren't there.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 18 Jul 2012, 10:01,
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I was, we didn't beat up others for not being like us
Others may have, we did not, we were individuals, not cunts
*and as you're apparenty putting chavs in the same bracket of 'alternate fashion styles n nothing more', when was the last summer riot of punks n goths that destroyed swathes of fucking London and beyond for the sakes of a fuckin Xbox, mate?
Talk some fucking sense, moron.
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..wil, Wed 18 Jul 2012, 10:09,
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You've had a bad night and abusing randoms on the internet.
I could point out my own troubles, but that's my business.
So for the sake of my mental health i'm going to just give you a wide birth in future because I really can't be bothered being called a moron and a cunt from a dickhead in a bad mood.
Get over yourself
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 18 Jul 2012, 10:35,
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No your right, I'm venting and kicking off cos I'm tired n pissed off, sorry, I'll stop
but still, any idea that a guy with an unusual hairstyle or clothes style deserves to get trouble for it is just fucking wrong and I stand by that.
And I'll try direct my energies to getting these chav scum twats across my street moved on ASAP so me n the rest of the street can get some fucking sleep...
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..wil, Wed 18 Jul 2012, 10:43,
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Really?
There's a notorious trouble maker and anti-social scumbag who's a blight on everyone's lives in the area where I live. Guess what? He has a mohawk and is part of a greater group of 'punks'.
I've met plenty of "chav's" who are decent people too. Despite being a bit rough around the edges.
(, Wed 18 Jul 2012, 19:07, Reply)
I think you should be careful arguing that you hold no responsibility for your behaviour/look
Say I support Glasgow Rangers and choose to go for a walk through a "Celtic" area of Glasgow on a match day. Yes, I have the right to do it wearing a Rangers shirt and waving a Union Jack. And if someone assaults me, they should be prosecuted. But, I should also be aware that it was a reckless thing to do and therefore have some responsibility for the result of my actions.
Many police do mistreat people, but to approach the police with a "they are all the same" attitude is short sighted and counter productive.
I just wish the people posting videos of their confrontations with the police were those who genuinely suffer abuse and prejudice, and not the smart-arses that we keep seeing.
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MyFrontFellOff ; his mouth full of teddies, urinating defiantly, Wed 18 Jul 2012, 10:07,
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If people are beating others up for a fucking shirt then they are wrong
If the entire society around you thinks that's right, then it is wrong.
I understand you understand therefore that it's a danger to do so, but that doesn't make those beating others up over it any more right, and that's the point.
There are entire countries were the majority think its ok n fine to persecute people for all kinds of victimless reasons and we tut n accept they're in the wrong, what makes people think just cos some similar attitudes are becoming the norm here that that makes it right over here?
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..wil, Wed 18 Jul 2012, 10:39,
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I am not saying it is right the way these bigots behave. We should all try to change the world to stop this kind of behaviour
What I am saying is that it is good sense to be aware of it and adjust your actions accordingly.
I would love to live in a world where I could go out and leave the door unlocked, I'm sure you would too. But with the neighbours you have, if you came back to an empty house, wouldn't you blame yourself (at least a bit)?
Edit: On a lighter note. On the subject of you all being individuals...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQqq3e03EBQ&t=22s
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MyFrontFellOff ; his mouth full of teddies, urinating defiantly, Wed 18 Jul 2012, 10:56,
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