ultimately all data has to be evaluated according to a value system.
it's not the data that justifies the values. it's the values that give relevance to the data.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 16:31,
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So you think data isn't as valid
as appealing to someone's emotions and not even trying to get statistics to back up your case?
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monkeon schmonkeon, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 16:39,
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when it comes to ideology it's emotions all the way.
only two people with some ideological common ground can have a meaningful discussion of statistics. If one person values freedom more than life, how can you sway them by saying that their policies would result in loss of life?
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 16:43,
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As soon as people don't use logic to reason
then it all becomes a matter of "faith" which is impossible and pointless to argue with as there is no language to do so.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion
edit: obviously you can argue logically without data, though it helps to have some data. However, you can't argue logically if it is "emotions all the way".
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monkeon schmonkeon, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 16:48,
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yep,
that's about right.
Our values don't come from reasoning, they come from the society we wish to fit into.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 16:51,
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There is data here to support and refute
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/More_Guns,_Less_Crime
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BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:26,
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