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This is a normal post Plane was perfectly capable.
The engine note doesn't change until it hits the trees. Doesn't matter what you're flying, if you exceed the max takeoff weight, this is what happens...
(, Wed 8 Aug 2012, 13:22, Reply)
This is a normal post You sound like you know what you're on about...
Do older aircraft such as this get tested regularly? (an MOT if you will...) I'm curious... If not - why not? If it's not flight-worthy surely you are endangering the lives of people on the ground too, let alone yourself/passengers.
(, Wed 8 Aug 2012, 13:34, Reply)
This is a normal post Mostly, yes they do.
Or rather should do. The CAA mandates the following check cycle for light aircraft (the FAA is probably similar but I haven't checked):

-Before the first flight of the day
-Every 50 hours
-Every 150 hours
-Annual inspection

The first in the list is a full visual inspection. Checking for panel damage, control surface operation, engine fluid levels, fuel contamination, instrument operation, lights serviceability, tyre condition etc.

The subsequent checks all go a lot deeper into things. The annual involves a full stripdown and inspection of the engine.


I don't know of any pilot who'd be comfortable getting into a plane they hadn't carefully inspected. It's a self-preservation thing...
(, Wed 8 Aug 2012, 13:52, Reply)
This is a normal post You forgot
-Kick the tires
(, Wed 8 Aug 2012, 14:35, Reply)
This is a normal post Well that eases my mind somewhat...

NTSB's preliminary report: www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief.aspx?ev_id=20120701X65804&key=1

Thanks for detailing that for me, I guess it's even more stringent for helicopters with all those extra moving bits. I suppose things still fail sometimes.

I've read a lot of the comments regarding the crash above and it seems that it was a combination of overloading and air density. The altimeter says 6000ft before they take off.

This was one of the comments: As soon as the a/c leaved the ground effect (~Half Span of the a/c), the engine can't provide enough power to keep the a/c flying because of (supposition) High/Hot conditions or mass overloading.

As soon as they came in backside of the Power curve, there were already doomed...

Crashing straight ahead WAS the best option...

Here a footage of a similar crash which ended deadly because they went for a turn while loosing altitude/stalling: (skip to 06:00)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_8AHC9Xus0

Guess it's easy flying from behind your keynoard AFTER the event.

Thanks again.
(, Wed 8 Aug 2012, 14:44, Reply)