technically, judaism is a religion, not a race. So he's no more jewish than I am a glasgow dock worker like my grandfather
despite the erroneus belief by both nazis and jews (finally something they agree on...) that it is passed down genetically (jewish blood). Judaism went through a proselytising phase, so Jews are not even particularly genetically homogeneous.
I realise that his beliefs and those of his neo-nazi contemporaries will cause him well-deserved grief, I just don't like seeing this particular fallacy repeated as it does in the article.
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 20:27,
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Schmaltz
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 20:38,
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I thought you could be Jewish by race and Religion?
"The Jewish ethnicity, nationality, and religion are strongly interrelated, as Judaism is the traditional faith of the Jewish nation"
*Shrugs*
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retrofly How about a link to a picture of something funny.., Wed 15 Aug 2012, 21:05,
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let's first have a quick look at your quote:
the first clause "The Jewish ethnicity, nationality, and religion are strongly interrelated" is not predicated by the second clause "Judaism is the traditional faith of the Jewish nation" as your quote infers.
It quite probable that they are interrelated, most things are in some way, but the fact that judaism is the traditional religion of the nation of israel (as traditional as things get for an immigrant nation that was created in 1948), does not logically infer that the race of the people and their relgion is the same.
you can call yourself anything you like and people do. I could say i come from a race of engineers. Genetically speaking however, which is what race is, jews can be Mizrahi, Yemenite, Kurdish, Sephardic, Askenazi, or whole host of different ethnicities much more strongly genetically related to various non-jewish ethnic groups than each other, and influenced by intermarriage as all races are.
Fundamentally, religion is a set of beliefs. Beliefs, as far as I know, are culturaly acquired rather than genetic inherited. So unless you happen to follow the beliefs of Jews or Nazis (don't cite Godwin's law, I'm not calling anyone a nazi) and believe in the concept of inherited jewish blood, rather than the scientific concept of ethnicity, it is not a race. It is a pervasive and persistent fallacy that it is still widely repeated, however.
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 21:45,
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I do have my "Windbag Level" set to force 7 today
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 22:18,
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I'm too drunk to understand
Was I right or wrong? Well not me I was told it once, somewhere maybe?
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retrofly How about a link to a picture of something funny.., Wed 15 Aug 2012, 22:46,
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It's not really Godwin's Law if the thread starts with "Neo-Nazi"
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Extinct Jesus Dossier "...I think it counteracts Hitler's magic...", Thu 16 Aug 2012, 0:41,
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