Inspired by the purple twat
People that call hip hop 'rap'. Rap is not a style or genre of music. Rapping is a method of vocal performance. Would you look at me like a cockend if I claimed that I liked sing music? You fucking would, I know you fucking would. But if you call hip hop rap, then you must logically refer to rock as sing.

Twats.

It's hip hop you cunts. Hip hop. I don't care if you like it or not. It's called hip hop.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Thu 15 Oct 2009, 21:30, 23 replies)

Too
fucking right.
(llcooljoel, Thu 15 Oct 2009, 21:36, closed)

Calm down dear
Don't take things so personally. It's only the internet.
(Purple_Monkey_Jingles Purple Monkeys need love too, Thu 15 Oct 2009, 21:42, closed)

Seriously.
Most normal people know exactly what people mean when they say "I don't like rap" and its not the same as I don't like hip hop. and saying "I don't like sing" is a tad different. You can sing to anything but most people know what rapping is.
( Peej, Thu 15 Oct 2009, 21:49, closed)

Exactly my point
You speak sense.
(Purple_Monkey_Jingles Purple Monkeys need love too, Thu 15 Oct 2009, 21:50, closed)

No he doesn't
Not by a long way.

Rap music? Philistines.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Thu 15 Oct 2009, 21:57, closed)

If you say so, dear

(Purple_Monkey_Jingles Purple Monkeys need love too, Thu 15 Oct 2009, 22:01, closed)

Phillie
That is not my point. At what point does hip hop become 'rap'? When you don't like it? The point about rock & sing was that as a sage observer once pointed out, rapping is something you do, hip hop is a way of life. 'Rap' seems to be a derogatory term for those that can't differentiate between 50 Cent and Sage Francis.

Much the same as I've never met a Scot that describes themselves as British, I've never met a hip hopper that says they love 'rap' or 'rap music'.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Thu 15 Oct 2009, 22:02, closed)

Horse poo
You are wrong, because: MC Mabon kicks ass. MC Mabon raps. MC Mabon is Welsh. "Hip hop" is clearly not the way of life in the mean streets of Caernarfon, now is it.

What you mean is that the sort of music you like is hip hop. If you describe yourself as a hip hopper that's fair enough. But people don't have to be like you to enjoy... rap.
(ChaRleyTroniC is invincible with his chips and cheese, Thu 15 Oct 2009, 22:15, closed)

*sigh*
No, you don't have to be American to make hip hop. Roots Manuva is one of my favourite MCs, I used to be into DJ Cam at the time, the best UK MCs are those that don't attempt a fake US accent. Hip hop is like punk rock, or heavy metal, or jazz or breakcore. A means of self expression with its own rules and structures.

It is not called rap. You can be Welsh and make hip hop, or French, or Scottish, or Latvian. If you have the idea that it's automatically guns, bitches and bling then that's just as ignorant as assuming that people that like Marilyn Manson are devil worshippers or DnB heads are coked up wideboys.

*EDIT* And I am far from a hip hop purist. Anybody that knows me in person or has perused my profile on Last.fm will know that. I just hate this thing people have of looking down on a valid, vibrant, cultural movement because of their own personal prejudices. I don't like reggae but I have the decency not to make judgements about those who do or tar the whole lot with the same UB40 smeared brush.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Thu 15 Oct 2009, 22:24, closed)

So
in what way does 50 Cent have a comparable "way of life" to MC Mabon?
(ChaRleyTroniC is invincible with his chips and cheese, Thu 15 Oct 2009, 22:29, closed)

Fuck's sake
Holy shit. You people. *shakes head*

I quoted a gentleman. My point was originally that the correct terminology for the style of music is most likely hip hop, rather than rap.

I never said they have a comparable way of life. What I said was that they do the same genre of music, just like Carpathian and Shellac do, just from different countries.

If you speak to a punk, they'll say the same thing, that punk's a way of life and not just a style of music. Hence why Green Day are sneered at.

What's your point again?
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Thu 15 Oct 2009, 22:34, closed)

My point?
It's a weird type of snobbery you have, all wrapped up over one little word.

Frankly I don't really care what it's called. I like MC Mabon just like I like César Franck, the Durutti Column, Ulrich Schnauss and 'Lasst uns Erfreuen'. I have no idea what the canonical genre names for any of those five are. I might, perhaps, get the wrong name now and then. Is that really so much of a problem?

You seem to be saying that you're only allowed to like it if you're so fully immersed in the culture that you know the "approved" word. Which is your prerogative, but it does make you sound like a slightly potty-mouthed version of Tim Westwood.
(ChaRleyTroniC is invincible with his chips and cheese, Thu 15 Oct 2009, 22:48, closed)

Dude
There's no snobbery involved, unless you count respect for distinct art forms as snobbery. And I'm not making any claims to immersion in a culture being the motivator of using the 'approved word'. There is no approved word, the genre, whether instrumental like Krush and Shadow, live like The Roots, re-played like Sugarhill Gang, goth-centric like Gravediggaz or political like Public Enemy and early NWA, is hip hop. Not rap, hip hop.

That is not snobbery. It is fact. People that call it rap go on the same list as: people that use the word 'randomly' when they mean 'unexpectedly', people that say 'pacific' instead of 'specific', people that call the popular board game 'Trivial Pursuits', adults that read Harry Potter, people that equate commercial success with actual skill, people that pronounce the O in Sunn O))), those that respond with 'but it's just a theory' when evolution is discussed and people that can't make the distinction between its and it's.

Quite a list I can assure you.

A slightly potty mouthed Tim Westwood? Can I not be a substantially paler KRS-One?
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Thu 15 Oct 2009, 23:09, closed)

Utter wank.


They are rappers

They produce rap.


NWA refer to themselves as producing 'reality rap'....

You ought to go round their house and laugh in their faces for being so ignorant.
( Larry Death Anger Pain Fear Aggression, Thu 15 Oct 2009, 23:39, closed)

NWA
Aren't producing much these days. Unless Dr Dre is channeling Eazy E through a ouija board.

They are (were) indeed rappers, who rapped over music. They produced hip hop. Much as Black Flag produced hardcore with Henry Rollins singing.

Black Flag did not produce 'sing'.

I'm on my way to their house now. You got those tea bags you borrowed? Ice Cube's really narked. MC Ren is fucking livid as well. Eazy E's cool about it, he's dead funny like that.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Thu 15 Oct 2009, 23:46, closed)

I'll
be 100 miles and runnin'.

especially when they find out i broke the spout off their tea pot.


:-)
( Larry Death Anger Pain Fear Aggression, Thu 15 Oct 2009, 23:47, closed)

Easy now

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Thu 15 Oct 2009, 23:49, closed)

This.
(And as rap is a vocal style, not a genre, it can appear in any genre of music. Has Anybody Seen my Baby by the Rolling Stones is clearly a rock song yet it has a rap in it.)
( Bob Todd whee, Thu 15 Oct 2009, 23:29, closed)

Not according to these two
As you are correct about that Rolling Stones song, they must thenceforth be described as a rap act.

Strangely, there's been no discussion yet of Portishead. As their recorded output is predominantly sample based, with heavy reliance on soul and funk derived breakbeats, they must be hip hop. But their vocalist sings.

I'm confused, are they sing or rap?
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Thu 15 Oct 2009, 23:39, closed)

Portishead
are, if anything, trip hop... much to their chagrin.

Hence their last album which sounds like The Fall fighting Public Enemy in Tangerine Dream.
(Dr Skagra glorious glargzhem, Fri 16 Oct 2009, 2:49, closed)

Skagra...
I was being facetious.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Sat 17 Oct 2009, 0:24, closed)

:)
Massive, massive props to you, Plumdozer. I've tried to get this point across for years. Apparently it is THAT difficult to understand. I'm also rather impressed you mentioned Black Flag and Sunn O))) in an effort to get a point regarding hip-hop. Extensive music taste is a +.
(almightyjoey is most likely listening to Electric Wizard on, Fri 16 Oct 2009, 21:01, closed)

Hip hop/Rap
I always thought the proper genre was cRAP
(mrbuddhafreak, Sun 18 Oct 2009, 2:41, closed)