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This is a question I don't understand the attraction

Smaug says: Ricky Gervais. Lesbian pr0n. Going into a crowded bar, purely because it's crowded. All these things seem to be popular with everybody else, but I just can't work out why. What leaves you cold just as much as it turns everyone else on?

(, Thu 15 Oct 2009, 14:54)
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The industrial revolution.
Science before it got to the point where science disproved religion.
The Origin of Species.
The Western world's standing as a global financial power.

All of these can be linked to religion.

But then so can the Holocaust.

6 of one...
(, Fri 16 Oct 2009, 10:00, 1 reply)
I don't buy it
Science was practiced mostly despite religion rather than because of it. Sure, there was plenty of 'how does the world work' study which was perceived in religious terms, but that doesn't mean it was religion in any sense we would use the term now.

What religion created was wealth, and as a result a leisured moneyed class, and to that extent it supported lots of useful activity, but that doesn't mean it was a good thing, just that good things happened as an accidental by-product of the existence of exploitative fuckers who justified their ill-treatment of the poor as God's will.

And besides all that, it doesn't answer the real question which is why anyone would devote time and energy to religion today.

Sorry, got all serious there. KITTENS! FLUFFY KITTENS!
(, Fri 16 Oct 2009, 11:31, closed)
Gregor Mendel, the father of genetics, was a monk.
Science and religion do not have to be at odds. You can have both.
(, Sat 17 Oct 2009, 0:32, closed)
I never said they were at odds
I said religion was pointless and stupid. Not because it's in opposition to science but because it's pointless and stupid. Apart from the aforementioned art, I see nothing in the world that is better because of the existence of religion. I'm pretty sure there's not even any evidence that believers are either morally better or happier than non-believers (anyone that knows of decent studies to the contrary, I'd be interested to hear of them).

As for Mendel, sure, many if not most scientists through history have been devoutly religious, but Mendel's (and Newton's, and all the others') great contribution to the world was science, not religion. I'd even argue that the valuable contribution of religious thinkers (Jesus, Buddha etc) was moral philosophy, not religion.
(, Sat 17 Oct 2009, 16:55, closed)

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