only - and this is the crucial point
if the job hasn't changed in 30 years. Otherwise the youngster starting will probably have learned more up-to-date and relevant techniques. For instance.

And mentoring - which I do - is because in SOME situations experience helps. But not in all, and it certainly doesn't mean that the person being mentored is somehow some lower form of life, which is the approach you are advocating.

And, yeah, OK, I'll ask my surviving grandmother if you like, but I can tell you for nowt she'll argue very strongly that my skills, qualifications and the importance of my research to society in general count at least as highly in the respect stakes as her 95 years on the planet.

Everybody has the right to EQUAL respect unless they demonstrate otherwise. Age doesn't matter. I know as many kids that I massively respect as I do retarded, racist, bigoted OAPs who I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 15 Sep 2009, 13:31, 1 reply)

No I'm not saying a lower form of life.
This is the key that the little ones are getting upset about.

I'm just saying they're lower on the ladder. Just as new employees are lower than the managers, are on probation and have to prove themselves.

I would love a new employee to accuse their boss of like totally disrespectin dem and dey ain't gonna take dat cos nobody disrespex me like and expect to still be employed after 30 seconds of doing so.

No. You earn respect. Not expect it.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 15 Sep 2009, 13:36, closed)

But the Boss gets to demand respect?
You're talking balls. Unless a boss treats a new employee, or any employee, respectfully then they're breaking the law.
( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Tue 15 Sep 2009, 13:43, closed)

Yes ...
I never claimed anything else.

Maybe I'm totally wrong. I believe time will tell.

And if I am proved right, and I start laughing spontaneously in the face of lots of kids on the dole, please - forgive me.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 15 Sep 2009, 13:45, closed)

Believe me, if you carry that attitude with you in your life and your career
you'll be seeing those kids on the dole sooner than you expect.
( Wicca'd Witch needs ideas for a new sig on..., Tue 15 Sep 2009, 13:50, closed)

Well then
At least my job will be safe!
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 15 Sep 2009, 13:58, closed)

You see, anyone who assumes that I am 'below them on the ladder'
because I am younger them, or because they consider me their 'inferior' in the workplace, really isn't worthy of my respect.

In other words, you're talking complete and utter bollocks.
( Wicca'd Witch needs ideas for a new sig on..., Tue 15 Sep 2009, 13:49, closed)

I didn't ever mention inferiority.

( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 15 Sep 2009, 13:57, closed)

Really? Because your entire post heavily implied that anyone younger than you, newer than you, or less experienced than you
was somehow 'inferior'. Look at the language you've used - 'lower on the ladder', 'at the bottom', 'below you on the social ladder'. You sound like a pompous prig who has never been able to command the respect of his peers so now demands it from those who he sees as 'beneath' him.
( Wicca'd Witch needs ideas for a new sig on..., Tue 15 Sep 2009, 14:06, closed)

Ah.
You'll find much perceived "implication" to be entirely subjective.

For example, I imagine you're not the sort of person that happily ignores their own assumptioious bigotry while pointing it out in others without any sense of the overbearingly obvious irony in doing so.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 15 Sep 2009, 14:09, closed)

Oh no, I notice it.
I have this little thing known as 'self awareness'. You should try it sometime.
( Wicca'd Witch needs ideas for a new sig on..., Tue 15 Sep 2009, 14:16, closed)

Oh right - sorry - I thought you were being serious.

( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 15 Sep 2009, 14:36, closed)

No. you don't.
You start off with respect. You earn more or less respect depending on how you behave after that.

For instance, thinking that someone younger than you or less senior than you is in any way below you is massively fucking disrespectful, and if any of my staff had behaved like that towards less senior members of my group I would have sacked them on the fucking spot. So I'd say you're very lucky you've never worked for me.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 15 Sep 2009, 13:53, closed)

I've never suggested seeing the young as below me as in any way other than on the social ladder.
I've not suggested not extending respect. I've not suggested they are lesser beings.

But you don't expect to be invited 'round to your boss's house for dinner in your first week, do you?

Well - many of the kids now do, yes*.

Which in itself is quite funny.

*contains irony
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 15 Sep 2009, 14:00, closed)

actually, I had my last new member of staff round for dinner*
within a couple of weeks of him starting, yes. Because I felt that would be the ideal way to get to know him and his wife. Oh God, maybe I'm giving him too much respect? fucksocks.

*a barbecue strictly, but same thing
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 15 Sep 2009, 14:04, closed)

Within a week of meeting my last boss
we were discussing the merits of real ale over perry, and she's staying with me next week as we're off to see Tim Minchin.

Have I committed some terrible social faux pas?
( Wicca'd Witch needs ideas for a new sig on..., Tue 15 Sep 2009, 14:07, closed)

Well - clearly you're a pushover.
I totally would have cleaned you out.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 15 Sep 2009, 14:10, closed)

if you were likely to try something like that
I'd never have been so stupid as to employ you in the first place, though...
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 15 Sep 2009, 14:13, closed)

Ahhh ...
But how would you know?

*wins*

CF Leiman (sp?) Bros, the Western financial system as a whole.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 15 Sep 2009, 14:19, closed)

I tend to pick things like that up at interview..

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 15 Sep 2009, 14:24, closed)

Hahahaha yeah.
Me too. That's how I always get past.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 15 Sep 2009, 14:27, closed)

Yeah

(Vice Admiral Sir Charles Cockbrush KCB MBE DSO, who is finding it increasingly difficult to log into b3ta.com wants to duck your aunt and kick your puppy, Tue 15 Sep 2009, 14:16, closed)

Ace.
My favourite is "I'm not coming in because I heard the printer's broken."
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 15 Sep 2009, 14:19, closed)