Well the laws are such that you can't just 'travel' and stop where you like these days
And one has to wonder when they were sold that shitty piece of crappy land right next to where they'd already built a site, what the fuck the authorities THOUGHT they wanted it for. Of course they wanted it for more caravans. And why not give them bloody permission? I don't see anyone wanting the land. A conservatory in my sunlight is more of a nuisance than some gypsies down the road, but they're never retrospectivally refused and demolished. From whom did they buy the land?
I don't blame them for wanting to at least stay in their trailers and live together the way they do. The alternative is being separated in shitty flats with hypodermics on the stairs. And can you imagine the NIMBYs when some of these 'gypos' that they're so happy to have seen evicted from the site DO accept a council house and then instead of some gypos in a field quite nearby, they'll have them for neighbours, and then their children might catch lice and illiteracy from the gypsy kids. They haven't thought this through. They're getting turfed out of a field, not exterminated, sorry!
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Thu 20 Oct 2011, 12:14, 1 reply, 14 years ago)

Erm, I should point out
that conservatories are regularly retrospectively refused and demolished. Hence why you need proof of planning permission to sell a house with one on. If you changed the windows in my flat without planning permission the council will have your balls on a platter. It is most catergorically not just because they are gypsies
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 20 Oct 2011, 12:18, Reply)

I believe it is.
And the way in which people refer to gypsies and their 'lifestyle choice' tells me so.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Thu 20 Oct 2011, 12:25, Reply)

That's your right
however, courts, luckily, don't work on prejudice. And many, many courts made this decision, not Daily Mail readers.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 20 Oct 2011, 12:32, Reply)

And there couldn't possibly be another agenda?
There could, conceivably.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Thu 20 Oct 2011, 12:39, Reply)

Of course there could.
This is why we have different opinions. I think that the repeated legal analysis would suggest that this group of people are cheating chancers who should be evicted for systematically and repeatedly breaking the law, and the fact that they happen to be gypsies is irrelevant. You believe that because gypies are systematically persecuted in this country and other countries, it is right to stand up for them, because someone should, and this case you believe the eviction itself is persecution.

Without access to court documents, it's impossible to know which of us is correct, as every single news source will have a bias. I genuinely think it's an interesting piece of intelligent debate, to be honest.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 20 Oct 2011, 12:57, Reply)

Conservatories are a piece of piss to obtain under gpdo, unless there's been an art 4 withdrawal

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Thu 20 Oct 2011, 12:26, Reply)

not in green belt or conservation belt they fucking aren't, trust me.
Now - an argument about whether that land should actually be green belt is a more contentious issue, but right now it is.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 20 Oct 2011, 12:31, Reply)

That'd be the article 4 withdrawal of the gdpo, irrespective the vast majority of housing stock isn't affected by coming under a deemed conservation area, Green Belt, or indeed being listed.
Everyone has a god damn right to a upvc conservatory.
( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Thu 20 Oct 2011, 12:38, Reply)

YEEHAW.
YESSIR. This is my conservatory. There are many other conservatories like this, but this one is mine.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 20 Oct 2011, 12:46, Reply)